Csontos wrote,
"You forgot Mullholland (sic) Drive."
Lost Highway would be more like it. |
Viridian, just a guess but I think he meant to ask, "Does anyone take the products that Machina Dynamica sells for granted?" |
"A sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
- Arthur C. Clarke |
Chayro, thanks for the sentiment. However, I'm pretty sure Raytheprinter and Mapman have never bid on any of my items. I suspect Elizabeth probably has but chickened out when her $1 bid didn't hold up. Maybe a group hug would help here. |
Sabai wrote,
"Please explain how "advanced technology" applies to your products such as,
Pretzel Logic Reef Knot Device
Flying Saucers
Baby Promethean Mini Isolators
Brilliant Pebbles
The Pretzel Logic Reef Knot Device improves the sound when attached to any cable or cord in the listening room or any other room, even electrical cords for the refrigerator, cords for floor lamps, even audio cables that are non being used, just lying around. I.e., the Pretzel Logic device does not influence the audio signal or the electrical power signal. That is why the device is advanced technology.
Flying Saucers are 1 inch copper foils attached at any and all windows of the listening room and windows in other rooms. However the copper foil is too small and not the right material to act as a glass damper, if you see what I mean.
The Baby Prometheans are advanced technology primarily due to their low profile which enables them to be used in situations where space is at a premium and where high center of gravity loads are involved. And because by simply adding more springs, very high loads can be isolated. Not to mention Baby Prometheans are very inexpensive compared to say Vibraplane and other advanced isolation devices.
Brilliant Pebbles is the first audiophile crystal-based product that is a comprehensive method for resonance control and EMI/RFI absorption in the room, including room corners, power plugs, transformers, windows, top of speaker cabinets, etc. While their are now many crystal based audiophile products, mine was the first, not counting Shakti Stone. |
Sabai, you asked about my products and how advanced technology is related to them. It occurs to me to add to my last post that I actually don't claim all of my products involve advanced technology. I do use the tagline, Advanced Audio Concepts, which I think is more accurate than saying they involve advanced technology. At the same time, some of my products actually do involve advanced technology such as nanotechnology and even quantum teleportation. The Baby Prometheans are a high concept but rather low tech. The turquoise tray masking rings are a high concept but low tech. If you see what I mean. |
Csmgolf wrote,
"I am still trying to figure out from those explanations where the advanced technology is located."
The term "advanced technology" was Sabai's, not mine. My term is "advanced concepts." For some things advanced technology is involved,
e.g., Super Intelligent Chip (nanotechnology) and the Teleportation Tweak (quantum teleportation), while others, as I pointed out to Sabai, are low tech or new applications of old technology. Obviously some of my products, like the water bowls are very simple in materials (water) but advanced in concept. For the compression springs the advanced concept is the dual layer of heavy masses and springs (Kundalini Platform). My clock and the blue dots and the Reef Knot device are extensions of PWB Electronics concepts. I suppose one could call those concepts mind-matter interaction and information fields or Morphic Resonance, take your pick. You know, advanced concepts. |
Raytheprinter, I am pretty sure you're not the only one to express the sentiment that you "cannot buy into this stuff." If I'm not mistaken that's exactly what many audiophiles have said about expensive cables, demagnetizing CDs or LPs, tiny bowl resonators, Quantum anything....in short, there's a long and illustrious history of things that audiophiles cannot buy into, stretching back to the concept of Stereophonic Sound itself. At the same time, we have observed successes with preposterous sounding audio devices and concepts such as Coloring CDs, SteinMusic Harmonizer, Schumann Frequency Generator, Frank Tchang's tiny metal bowl resonators, Shakti Stone, Tourmaline Guns and other deionizers, freezing CDs, LPs and cables and cryogenics. Are we to dismiss these successes?
There are many non-audio examples of things that well-meaning folks have had trouble "buying into" - you know, things like quantum physics, faster than sound flight, black holes, Dark Matter, the Big Bang, teleportation, artificial atoms, the Atomic Bomb, things of that nature. There will always be room for Doubting Thomases. They're the salt of the Earth. But , please, let's try not to have a brain aneurysm over all of this, it's just not worth it. Remember, it's only a hobby. :-) |
Sabai, that's the kind of pretzel logic only someone who daisy chains his cables could come up with. :-) |
Zen and the Art of Debunkery (excerpt)
As the millennium turns, science seems in many ways to be treading the weary path of the religions it presumed to replace. Where free, dispassionate inquiry once reigned, emotions now run high in the defense of a fundamentalized "scientific truth." As anomalies mount up beneath a sea of denial, defenders of the Faith and the Kingdom cling with increasing self-righteousness to the hull of a sinking paradigm. Faced with provocative evidence of things undreamt of in their philosophy, many otherwise mature scientists revert to a kind of skeptical infantilism characterized by blind faith in the absoluteness of the familiar. Small wonder, then, that so many promising fields of inquiry remain shrouded in superstition, ignorance, denial, disinformation, taboo . . . and debunkery.
What is "debunkery?" Essentially it is the attempt to *debunk* (invalidate) new information and insight by substituting scient*istic* propaganda for the scient*ific* method.
1. Portray science not as an open-ended process of discovery but as a holy war against unruly hordes of quackery- worshipping infidels. Since in war the ends justify the means, you may fudge, stretch or violate the scientific method, or even omit it entirely, in the name of defending the scientific method.
2. Always refer to unorthodox statements as "claims," which are "touted," and to your own assertions as "facts," which are "stated."
3. Insist that the progress of science depends on explaining the unknown in terms of the known. In other words, science equals reductionism. You can apply the reductionist approach in any situation by discarding more and more and more evidence until what little is left can finally be explained entirely in terms of established knowledge.
4. State categorically that the unconventional may be dismissed as, at best, an honest misinterpretation of the conventional.
5. If sufficient evidence has been presented to warrant further investigation of an unusual phenomenon, argue that "evidence alone proves nothing!" Ignore the fact that preliminary evidence is not supposed to prove *any*thing.
Cheers, Geoff Kait
Machina Dramatica |
Csontos wrote,
"Which movie does it remind you of Geoff, Liar Liar? Whew, eh?"
Since you ask, Pleasantville. |
Mapman, help me out. I'm a little confused, not being familiar with Team America. When you use the word ronery am I correct in assuming it's jibber jabber for the word horny? And if so have you tried a long cold shower? |
Csmgolf wrote,
"So I am still waiting for an answer. The teleportation tweak supposedly "works" by quantum teleportation. Go ahead and google 'record quantum teleportation'. The world record is 89 miles using lasers in open air. I want to know how groups of real scientists working hard at trying to improve upon this can only make it work for 89 miles yet Machina Dynamica can make it work by telephone to anywhere in the world. The teleportation tweak must be where high concept, low tech, and an utter lack of integrity converge. This too can be yours for the low, low cost of $60 for a single phone call. Just imagine all of the wizardry that goes into some of the other MD products."
Well, actually, at the time the Teleportation Tweak was introduced about five years ago the (recognized) record was only about one meter. So I suppose I should give the "real scientists" credit for extending the distance over which they are able to achieve quantum teleportation. Nevertheless, I was achieving distances of thousands of miles, even 10,000 miles, five years ago, so pardon me if I am not terribly impressed by the distances achieved by the "real scientists." I hate to judge before all the facts are in, but I have a sneaking suspicion if the Real Scientists ever got wind of the Teleportation Tweak they would laugh so hard milk would squirt out of their noses. How could some upstart Audio Tweaker beat THEIR glorious record?! |
Csontos wrote,
"Okay. Has anything you've presented gotten past the "preliminary evidence stage" or are they all evidentially preliminary by nature and therefore relegated to the "Kingdom of Faith". Cuz then we're talkin serious "Hocus Pocus". You might want to get out your Ouija board."
Uh, this is a hobby we're talking about, right? Just about everything in this hobby, especially tweaks, are at the "evidence stage," you know, until someone with some authority steps up to the plate and attempts to get to the bottom of some of these things. Things like SteinMusic Harmonizer, Bybee Quantum Filters, Mpingo Disc, Shakti Stone, Schumann Frequency Generator, CD demagnetizers, tiny little bowl resonators, things of that nature. Even audio reviewers, bless their hearts, rarely offer any in-depth analysis, much less measurements, of these controversial or unconventional devices beyond the usual, "I have no idea how these things work but work they do." I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings but if you're sitting around twiddling your thumbs waiting for some "recognized authority" like MIT or AES or NASA or even The Absolute Sound, Stereophile or Positive Feedback, you had probably better be prepared to wait a very long time. In the meantime, preliminary evidence will have to suffice, that evidence being the experiences of audiophiles like yourself. |
Raytheprinter wrote,
"Geoff made it in ,Ripoff Report,The following is from James Randi's website (www.randi). Do not fall for this scam. Read everything Randi has to say about this company!"
Yeah, right. James Randi wouldn't have any reason to lie, would he? Lol |
Csontos wrote,
Has there been "sufficient evidence presented" to "warrant further investigation" of one of your "unusually phenomenal" products? If so, please present it here to us."
Sufficient evidence? Uh, and what exactly do you think constitutes "sufficient evidence?" and to whom? And who should be providing the evidence and doing the further investigation? Most likely not anyone here on this thread as they've already made their minds up. There's a name for that but it escapes me at the moment. |
Sabai wrote,
"Geoffkait,
It's interesting that you mentioned "SteinMusic Harmonizer, Bybee Quantum Filters, Mpingo Disc, Shakti Stone, Schumann Frequency Generator, CD demagnetizers, tiny little bowl resonators". Are you seriously putting your things on the same playing field? I don't hear anyone else but you doing so."
I hate to judge before all the facts are in, but it appears you might be having a reading comprehension moment as I was using the SteinMusic Harmonizer, et al as examples of controversial, or at least unconventional, audio tweaks that have NOT been peer reviewed or validated, I mean other than the usual audio magazine review, which I'm assuming you Ãber Skeptics don't count as peer review or validation. I provided this list of audio devices in response to a demand from Csontos for peer review, validation and more complete evidence of my products. Csontos being an excellent example of someone who actually believes high end audio products undergo some sort of Peer Review or validation process. Follow? |
Tpreaves wrote,
"Still skirting the issue I see."
What issue would that be? I don't want you to feel like I'm ignoring you or minimizing your contribution. LOL |
I didn't want to do it but I'm pulling out the big guns.
A. Contact
B. Lawrence of Arabia
C. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
D. Paranormal Activity
E. Invasion of the Body Snatchers
F. Dawn of the Dead
G. Groundhog Day
H. Cannibal Holocaust |
Raytheprinter wrote,
"Geoff,This thread is not about the products you have mentioned.
Stereo5 asked about Machina Dynamica products."
Machina Dynamica, a brief history. My web site was initially set up and designed by Dr. Thomas Slivinski, the first PhD in Computer Science from U. Of Illinois, Urbana, and one of the designers of the advanced computer at Urbana that became the model for HAL 9000 in the movie, 2001- A Space Odyssey. Machina Dynamica started out with one product, the Nimbus Unipivot Sub-Hertz Isolation Platform, a 6-degree-of-freedom isolation stand that debuted at CES in the Mapleshade/Gallo room. The Nimbus was so tricky to construct and set up that it was virtually impossible to duplicate. Hardened steel spring-based Promethean Base replaced Nimbus five years later. About that time I discovered crystals and produced the world's first comprehensive crystal-based audio product - Brilliant Pebbles, named after the Star Wars weapon system. Next there was a turquoise scattered laser light absorber for CD and a yellow one for Blu Ray. Then a few things that go bump in the night - extensively treated clocks, improving systems over the telephone, quantum chips with synthetic atoms, things of that nature. Machina Dynamica's copper foils for windows and the Pretzel Logic Reef Knot Device for audio and non-audio cables are the latest products. I am also the only dealer for Princeton University and International Consciousness Research Laboratories' The Mind Lamp - an color-changing ambient light device the color pattern of which is influenced by human thought. |
Csontos wrote,
"For the record Geoff, I rely on feedback from the general population in regards to the performance of the audio products I make decisions on."
Interesting. So it sounds like you wish to progress no further than the general population. That's not very adventuresome. :-)
Csontos also wrote,
"I have never read or owned an audio mag."
Ah, I see, you mistrust reviewers and trust the general population.
:-) |
Poll - Which movie does this thread most remind you of?
A. 12 Angry Men
B. Revenge of the Nerds
C. Close Encounters of the Third Kind
D. Rochelle Rochelle
E. Awakenings
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I'm getting bad vibrations. |
