Let's talk music, no genre boundaries


This is an offshoot of the jazz thread. I and others found that we could not talk about jazz without discussing other musical genres, as well as the philosophy of music. So, this is a thread in which people can suggest good music of all genres, and spout off your feelings about music itself.

 

audio-b-dog

@audio-b-dog 

I don’t see how L & M qualifies as Prog.

Their music did span a range from very radio friendly Pop to something a bit more stylistically adventurous. The latter was displayed in longer tracks that alternated with the 3 minute hits.  Like them or not, their musicianship was always excellent. 

Here’s a good example of them at their (IMHO) best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnI1-AiFrjU&list=OLAK5uy_m-iUndbrYwZmRJpQ-mBScNV53Vq_eHC1I

This track comes from what I consider their most musically ambitious album; "Mother Lode".  

Given J. Messina’s roots in B. Springfield and Poco, I tend to regard him as coming out of Country Rock. I admire guitar players who can say a lot with just a few notes, and he certainly qualifies in this regard. 

 

@stuartk 

I like that cut. I'll stream them. I have a few Poco albums that I play a lot. To be quite honest, I'm not a fan of genres. That's one of the reasons I moved from the Jazz Aficianado group. They seemed to have a exacting conception of  "jazz," and I just like what I like. You said you aren't a fan of Freddie Hubbard's "First Light" and "Red Clay," but I don't think you'd say they aren't jazz albums. They're just something that doesn't hit you. I just like what I like and no longer worry about it. I used to want to be cool. Now I'm too old to be cool, and I really don't care. 

I know that Charlie Parker is considered a genius, but I hardly ever play him. My jazz ear was developed later in the sixties and seventies. Although I go to hear current groups and sometimes I like current jazz. 

As a musician, I think you are more aware of the craftsmanship. I can appreciate it, but I don't listen to music to appreciate how good the players are. One exception might be classical music. I've listened to it long enough to develop more of an ear.

I picked up an album of Toscanini and Horowitz playing some piano concerto I knew well. I thought it was so awful, I had to look it up. Horowitz was married to Toscanini's daughter and there was tension between son-in-law and father-in-law. And did it show in the recording! And I am attuned enough in classical music to pick it up. A classical music DJ named Jim Svejda used to bad-mouth von Karajan so badly, but I just figured maybe he didn't like that von Karajan had played under Hitler. But over the years, I have come to find that I agree. Almost everything I have by von Karajan I don't like, with the exception of Mozart's Requiem. His schtick works with that particular piece of music.

In popular music, I dont really notice how good the musicians are. But I think I lean toward good musicianship instinctively. 

But back to generes, I think they can limit people's taste. I had a male adult bias against Taylor Swift. Girl-teen music. But I have granddaughters and they listened to her, and I found I like some of her stuff. I listen to  her "Red" album. I keep trying to punch my way out of the paper bags that age surrounds us with. Most people don't change their taste in music and art much past the age of thirty.

On the prog rock front, I have several Buddha Box CDs. Do they count? And I also have a number of Massive Attack albums, and how about The Cocteau Twins? 

@audio-b-dog 

I like that cut. I'll stream them. I have a few Poco albums that I play a lot. To be quite honest, I'm not a fan of genres. That's one of the reasons I moved from the Jazz Aficianado group. They seemed to have a exacting conception of  "jazz," and I just like what I like. You said you aren't a fan of Freddie Hubbard's "First Light" and "Red Clay," but I don't think you'd say they aren't jazz albums. They're just something that doesn't hit you. I just like what I like and no longer worry about it. I used to want to be cool. Now I'm too old to be cool, and I really don't care. 

Well, OK. Not all music is easily categorized into neat boxes but categories can be helpful. If I want to know where a certain artist falls, stylistically, and you say "Hard Bop" , I find that's useful. I compare it to music theory, which is not much use simply as a conceptual framework but as a means of communicating about musical structures between musicians it can be of significant practical value.  

You do seem to have a visceral negative response to classifying music by genres. 

Yes; Freddie Hubbard's CTI recordings are Jazz. 

As a musician, I think you are more aware of the craftsmanship. I can appreciate it, but I don't listen to music to appreciate how good the players are.

I listen for emotional engagement first and foremost. In this regard, someone with relatively little technique may be as "good" as a virtuoso... or even better.  

 

@mapman ..Thanks for the PR 'screen flood'.... Haven't had one of those in awhile.... *L* ;)  Prefer Seesaw from Search/Lost Chord for the bass opener and the manic laughter myself, but y'know how taste tastes....

@audio-b-dog ....thanks for the Optimist gesture, but tend more as Realist with a pesky Nihilist cloud in tow....

Ever since fElon announced his 'super 'puter project labeled Colossus froze me in place....hoped it was just a sick pun, recalling this little number made when I graduated high school.... 

Not that I want to be a canary coughing in the coal mine, mind you....but with all the bad press AI is getting....this one, at least, has eyebrows raised and fur on ends....

Gets hard to argue when Someone Else has 'fingers' on All the buttons....

"Are we feeling lucky, punks?"