The whole delusion about loosing detail or quickness with a ported design is unfounded. You will have perceptibly less bass output with a sealed system, thereby emphasizing the attack over the fundamentals and overtones. What is lost is often the freedom of the lower midrange and bass that tend to expand out and energize a room when played live. A lot of the energy is often in the recordings, but too many audiophiles tune it out in favor of an Uber Detailed sound. Real music has power, physicality and it fills the acoustic space with vibrant resonances. Taming the source material by overdamping a speaker to accentuate leading edge definition is foolish and not in pursuit of the Real Sound!
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I don't get the comments that Heresy IIIs (or IVs) might not have the "uber detailed" sound of more precious designs...balderdash! I've owned a lot of those more typical (read expensive) designs, and the Heresy keeps up with and even surpasses all of those to my tastes anyway. I've noticed the closeness of the drivers in Heresy IIIs as something that might contribute to the coherency of the things...from the center of the tweeter to a few inches into the woofer cone is around 8 inches...less if measured from the lower opening of the tweeter horn, and far tighter dimensions than most any other wide range 3 ways...same with the IVs. |
Having heard the Heresy IVs, and assuming the new JBL have similar character as their classic ancestors, which one prefers would largely come down to personal preference, though Klipsch are inherently more tube amp friendly and efficient by design whereas those JBL less so and probably designed with SS amplification in mind. So like with pretty much all things, it all depends. |
Totally not true. This fake vlogger most probably let them fall on the floor causing the corner veneer to be damaged. I own the new L100 classics + the stands now for 13 months. I move them around and I have no issue at all with the veneer, quality in general and totally No rust or oxidation whatsoever. I also checked my dealer who has them as a demo model for more than a year now in his shop and no problems at all, not with the speaker, not with the stands. Look at the internet and search for these faults, you will not find any post of it. Please check all the hundreds of positive reviews about the L100 classic like the one from Andrew Robinson himself (!) and John Darko! Andrew is the only one on the net talking now bad about them after he first called them amazing. He is not even a pro reviewer. What amp did he use? A 200 dollar amp and a low power vintage pioneer. Of course the heresy will launch quicker on low volume as it is 8 ohm and the L100 4 ohm what requests more current. I m really amazed by the L100 classic I must say, like 1000 other reviewers, every day I m stunned by the sound quality, I really consider them audiophile level and find them even better then my focal utopia’s. Anyway 1 hipster reviewer first praising the hell out of them and then fall of on them is really unprofessional. Just my 2 cents. |
AS Robinson stated he MOVES and swaps out his speakers all the time. DO YOU?? Im betting you dont have a constant rotation going on which would of course cause less wear and tear on the speakers. I own about 10 pairs of speakers and constantly swap them so Mr Robinson's point about the Veneer is valid and should be a concern for anybody that is not just leaving them in place for a year or whatever. Wait a year and ask DARKO if he sees any problems with his since he will be moving them in and out of his lineup constantly like Robinson does. Maybe he comes to the same conclusion and maybe he doesn't. There is mention of this problem on the STEVE HOFFMAN Forum site so perhaps you should search the ENTIRE internet before making "concrete" statements |
Take a deep breath. It was one hobbyist making a review and mentioning the damage and rust. One person. This was the first review where I heard of this and I would hope that JBL would step up and make a statement regarding the issue. It will not deter my interest in the L100. I hope to get a pair this summer.....unless COVID-19 has other plans for me. |
I'm not on either side of the JBL or Heresy. I was interested in both before buying Forte 3's... I'm sure both rock and they get great reviews but like anything audio, gotta try it in your room with your gear to see if delivers the goods. Regarding Robinson's JBL peeling veneer and rust complaint, that sounds like a humidity issue. Maybe he inadvertently exposed them to excess moisture or humidity? Unless he lives at the beach and has the windows open there's no reason why they would rust if kept indoors. He probably bought them second hand or he would have sent them back to the dealer he bought them (or JBL directly) for replacement. Also, his reviews are crap. Thick with so much schmaltz and fluff and no real substance. Seems like he's targeting lower priced mass market stuff to maximize youtube views and page hits. Slick website, video editing and... dogs! (lol) ugh barf. |
#mattshere, The guy is a reviewer. He is offered the product by the manufacturer for FREE. He only pays for it if he decides to keep it so almost everything you wrote is based on NO FACTS. How do you not know that's how it works??? If you also bothered reading the comments section of the review you would see they arrived damaged to begin with. |
wow,I opened a can of worms there.My intent was to pass along what his observations were between the 2.He must of liked them enough to buy them both.At the price levels,for me, I would like to think there was more than a paperthin layer of veneer.I do not believe that Andy lives at the beach either.I would be more partial to the Heresy IV's since I have heard Heresy's[older models] before and liked what they were doing. Did not mean to get anyone's panties in a wad. Most importantly ALL Stay Safe and Healthy Enjoy the Music |
@riaa_awards_collectors_on_facebook Yeah sorry didn't read all the comments, was only guessing at why he's having rust and delam issues with the veneer. My comments weren't intended to be based on facts... If they arrived damaged to begin with why didn't he send them back and ask for a new set? Maybe JBL just sent him a beat up demo pair thinking he was only going to review how they sound and weren't expecting them to be shown in a Youtube video with warts and all. Also seems a bit shady to comment on the speakers condition when he has no idea what that set has been through. |
Yep what that guy is saying about efficiency in the video makes sense. You can't get more bass out of essentially the same size package without losing some efficiency so the I would tend to lean towards IIIs with lower power amps. I heard IVs with a beefy Anthem solid state amp and that was a very good combo. If you want flat extended bass off a few watts you need big speakers. No way around that. It's the laws of Physics. |
https://youtu.be/-Eyb7ZnFUQM Interesting link as posted above. I’d really like to hear them side by side for myself. I’ve never heard a speaker that couldn’t be improved by a Sub. I’ll never be without. So I’m wondering if I’d be better to save my money & pick up an old pair of Mk2. |
Yes, indeed. The Heresy IV's coupled with a sub( or two of you need to rumble) of equal quality are a fantastic choice for a smaller room, etc. If you dig horns, you can't go wrong with them. I demoed them just because I could even though I was set on Cornwalls. * Disclaimer: Although there are a great many fine speakers, I am an unabashed Klipsch fan. Very few give that live sound and rich tone pallete to my ears. |