wtf, what exactly did you learn from that article concerning how to improve your audio enjoyment in your shared listening space?
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Absolutely nothing. I wasn’t really looking to learn something either. FWIW, more often than not I read about all things audio for enjoyment. It's a hobby, no? Everything from music to different loudspeaker/amp/preamp/DAC designs interests me. I saw this article as more of an essay rather than review.
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Okay then, wtf. I read it more as an editorial from someone with his head up his butt.
Dave
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I've heard it repeated often over the years: audio equipment is subject to the law of diminishing returns. As the price rises, the rate of improvement in sound quality (a term that's so gelatinous I don't think any of us can really define it) diminishes on a pretty steep curve. Does a $32K DAC sound 32 times better than a $1K DAC? Well obviously not, so it's a matter of choosing a price range that makes sense for your budget and within that deciding what sounds best to YOU. We're all different, we all hear a little differently and have different tastes, which I've said multiple times in various discussions in the forums. It bears repeating because it's so easy to get lost in the minutiae of technical specs and industry standards that we're in danger of forgetting the most important thing, which is to enjoy the music.
To be absolutely honest, I've never heard a $32K DAC, but I have heard a number of DACs in the $1K-$3K range (which is the ballpark I play in) and for that money, especially in the used market, there are some very, very good sounding examples. Mine is a good old (well, not THAT old) Bryston BDA1. To me it sounds wonderful, though I'm sure I'll again get bitten by the upgrade bug one of these days.
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Cooper. I also use a BDA-1 and think it a great DAC and purchase on the used market. Serves many sources as well. If usb is required simply use a USB/SPDIF converter as the USB input is included as a convenience at that time. |
a $32,000 DAC should sound like music. a $1,000 DAC cannot. |
cerrota $32,000 DAC should sound like music. a $1,000 DAC cannot I've heard quite a few sub-$1K DACs that "sound like music." For goodness sake, a used Theta Pro Basic can "sound like music." |
time for a blind listening test
I am also going to launch a kickstarter to make balsa wood cabinets that look just like the Nagra DAC from a distance - you can stick your Dragonfly or iFi in there. |
czarivey
$26k monoblocks sounds more reasonable than $32k DAC, but still too much.
Not if you have a crap source going into the $26K mono blocks. The DAC can be one of the most influencial component in your system. What if the DAC gave you a huge soundstage with space and air around vocals and instruments, had a tone you never heard before where each instrument was capture perfectly, 3D sound, macro/micro dynamic swings with ease, tone, tone and more tone to die for, etc., something you never heard before, would that be worth the cost?
Happy Listening.
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What is the source???? The Lamms won't do anything that they are not fed. What's the preamp the BAT with the 6H30 tube? Look at the speakers, can they reproduce what the Lamm amps can deliver? Just plopping in a high priced component does not necessarily make a system sound better. What is the reviewer trying to say with his article? I don't get what he expected to hear. If I had a pair of PC speakers with the Lamm amps, what would I expect to hear a life like performance? Come on! What's a big boy amp? Are there big boy speakers? Musically with a flea-watt amp - WHAT???
The Lamms didn't bring out every tiny nuance—a surprise, as I expect amps costing this much to do everything perfectly—but boy, are they musical! In that way, they deviate from the stereotype of a big-boy amp: You expect such things to sound impressive and precise, but if you want musicality, aren't you supposed to turn to some flea-watt amp, maybe made in some Japanese boutique?
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Nice thread ;)
Often the price difference is marketing. Like anything else, if you compare expensive dacs, some may sound like their price, others will not. A $32K dac may sound worse than a well designed $1k dac (Lite Dac 60 with a few mods) but it is housed in solid steel with fancy artistic designs and laser engraved logos/buttons. The only difference being that they used a $20 TXCO with low phase jitter than a standard Chinese one at $0.50 to make it sound well grounded. So if you take away that the metal housing, the exotic wood, and the logo, one is left with the internals of a $500 dac.
Another $32k dac has some amazing engineering but priced higher because a select people are willing to pay for it although everything over $5k is pure profit. You may even come across a dealer that has a demo unit or trying to get rid of stock that is at 75% off. These deals are not typically advertised.
Also learn about manufacturing costs - especially with medium to small companies. A do it yourself home builder has higher costs and a medium company can sell you a dac for $4000 that costs $500 to manufacture. Don’t be afraid to negotiate and offer to pay what value you place on the item.
I find that companies that market and advertise less gives you more for your money. |
After playing with a number of DACS over the years..... not one has come close to The Berkeley Ref DAC. I'm pushing it with the Aurender n100h into the Berkeley Alpha USB to the Berkeley Ref DAC and the results have been the best I have yet heard. K |
how long will a $32k DAC be top notch in sound quality? Assuming it really is sig'ly better than say a $4k DAC, in a few years $4k or less will buy better SQ
- this even happens in the slower moving worlds of speakers and pre-amps - Look at the history of Maggie designs & ARC |
Not better just different.
A good 1K DAC can be world class.
You are right wth your example of speakers - after going far up in price eventually it is more about cosmetics and prestige.
My speakers have have a beautiful burl magnolia veneer hand built in the UK. The beautiful wood work does not add anything to the sound but adds significantly to the cost!!! ATC make an equivalent pro black 150’s that would be one third the cost.
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