Milt Hinton: Another great from the State of Mississippi. Where would music in this country be without Mississippi? Guess we would all be jamming and dancing to the Beer Barrel Polka.
Nice clip. Nice Joke about the cemetary. That's one reason I try to stay away from those places.
You are correct about great music never aging. Great Art never ages. Some folks seem to think music is like Science & Technology, the newer the better. Wrong answer. Music is Art.
The Mona Lisa, LvB's 9th, West End Blues etc...... will be great forever! And as they say, that's a long, long time.
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Rok, have you noticed I'm making a lot of mistakes I never used to make? I believe Milt Hinton has identified the reason why. Here's what should have been on my last post, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwc1bTn7Fd8Enjoy the music. |
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Abdullah Ibrahim -- Very good. The bass player played a role similar to the role the snare drummer plays in Bolero. But he didn't falter. The next Tune up was "little Boy" from the album "Voice of Africa. Also Excellent.
Abdullah Ibrahim and Hugh Masekela ARE African Jazz. Both so uplifting.
Of course, their music is of African Origin, and sounds like it. The question is, what is it about about the music that says it African?? The same question could be asked about Spainj and other Countries.
*****Rok, have you noticed I'm making a lot of mistakes*****
Is this supposed to be 'Breaking News' ? :)
Nice Posts.
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****The question is, what is it about about the music that says it African?? The same question could be asked about Spainj and other Countries.****
What is it about the blues that says it's the blues (American)? |
Rok, I'm glad you posted this, it really gave me something to think about........That was yesterday and I'm still thinking. I'll get back to you when I quit thinking about it.
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"Eumir Deodato" is an interesting musician (I don't know why I think of some kind of big bird everytime I hear first name). While not an icon of jazz, he made some interesting music in the 70's I was listening to and still like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5dLWFb50To https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwMAfSfRbDUThose are my two favorite albums by Dodato, they bring back memories and make for good listening, also when I checked his "bio" it seems he's quite a musician whose been involved with quite a few artists in my collection, and he's still active. Enjoy the music. |
Alex, "Ike Quebec" is the only artist I have everything that is and is not available by. When you listen to Ike, I might be listening to the same thing no matter what you're listening to, and I listen to the one's you submitted a lot.
Correction Alex, I know I have the LP, "Congo Lament"; yes, that same "Easy Living" is on "Congo Lament", and as far as I'm concerned it's one of the best if not "the best".
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*****What is it about the blues that says it's the blues (American)?*****
My question exactly.
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## *****What is it about the blues that says it's the blues (American)?*****
My question exactly. ##
Well, for the answer, and one which is applicable to the music of any country, a good place to start is the spoken language of that country. The relationship between the language and the music of any culture is well researched and documented. The music of many cultures closely follows the rhythm, patterns and both rhythmic and melodic contours of the language. In the case of the blues, not only are things like the harmony and form the direct descendants of European musical tradition, but the use of what defines the Blues melodically, the minor third and minor seventh, are found in the speech of most African countries. Coincidence? I doubt it. |
This might be a better example of what I am talking about. This piece was composed by a Russian, with a Spanish Theme, and it does sound Spanish to my ear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh6mDL-VwYwIs this because of just me associating sounds with visual images, i.e. the movies, I hear the music when looking at Carmen or El Cid, or, did the composer 'know' how to make it sound 'Spanish' to listeners around the world Derived from Spanish Folk Music? I think the answer has a lot to do with indigenous folk music. Being the source, it can never be changed, and is identified with a people or culture forever. Cheers |
Louis Armstrong -- AND THE GOOD BOOK
This is actually two albums on one CD. "Louis and the Good Book" and "Louis and the Angels". Tracks 1 thru 12 are from 'The Good Book', and they are great. Spirituals being sung with humor, and NOT like it's European Opera. Great backup singers. You can imagine Louis doing 'Ezekiel Saw The Wheel'.
Of course no one can do a song like Pops. The second LP, 'Louis and the Angels' must have taxed Pop's spirit. But he was the consummate pro. Sy Oliver and his orchestra with some background singers that sounded like they came from 'sing along with mitch'. Complete with the obligatory violins. What a bunch of crap. I guess they wanted 'improve' Pops!! Sy Oliver should be ashamed.
But, Louis struggles to, and manages to stay above the travesty. This is what I call disrespect. As bad as 'Bird with strings'. I guess some people with the power just didn't get it.
Recommended for the first 12 tracks only. At least they didn't mix the tunes, it's easy to hit the eject key after #12.
Allen Toussaint died yesterday while in Spain. He was right up there with Louis when it came to capturing the soul and essence of New Orleans. I will have to play "The Bright Mississippi" today. Great CD.
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"Baby Face Willette", who got his name from looking at least 10 years younger than his chronological age, could make an organ produce frequency extremes and dynamic range higher and wider than anything that could be recorded. But his audience didn't come to hear what he had on record, they came to hear "Bird" on organ, which is how he sounded as he played at lightning speeds, not just notes, but coherent musical phrases. He looked like anything but a baby when he was performing with face and body contorted by the muse that had possessed him. "Now"! I recall sitting at a table with professional drummer "Kenny Rice", when I saw "Trane" go off into the far reaches of the galaxy. I looked at Kenny, eyes closed, a faint smile on his face, head nodding to the music, and I could tell he was right along side Trane on his journey to "Orion 7" or wherever; but they had left me behind; I wasn't left behind when "Face" played. Since "Face" never played live what was on records, I can only try to come close, and it's still a long way from what I heard; "Bird" on "Organ", which is something no equipment made can record; I can only give you what's on record. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNkag9AKgbA&list=PLPOxwexjsUr6B48cS4_SIp4MhU8b4VAn2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2ERGSEyBeM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJm2sTjSY4oEnjoy the music |
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O-10:
Baby Face : Fantastic!! This, 8 ball, is one of the best things you have ever posted. The ones with Lou Donaldson were great also. The clips had every surface in my house vibrating / resonating. And this was with computer speakers at normal volume. Great stuff all around.
I see he has several more on youtube. I will have to visit Amazon!
Thanks for the introduction.
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Excellent Clip by Allen Toussaint. Would have been to better effect if the other members of the Band had made it to the dry cleaners before they closed. Allen and the Sax player managed to do so.
A player of Toussaint's accomplishment / reputation, should not have to play with guys wearing baseball caps. The music was good, but baseball caps and extreme casual dress, visually, brings it down to noise-maker level.
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My radio alarm went off just as this tune was starting. Scared me to death. Jazz 88.3 WBGO does it again. Donald Harrison and Dr. John; genius pairing: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1J3MWiToJ9cDidn't know about this record nor this band. Great stuff and yet another example of how much great music comes out of, as Rok would say, N'awlins. This cut kills. Great playing from Harrison; intense and swinging without screaming into the horn, like Paul Desmond getting the blues: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rn7zAaIERWI |
"Manu Dibango", now there's a name I don't believe I've seen on this forum; he's known for "Soul Makasa". Let us go to "Wikipedia" to find out more about Manu Dibango. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2jYjUiulMQ Dibango was born in Douala, Cameroon. His father, Michel Manfred N'Djoké Dibango was a civil servant. The son of a farmer, he met his wife travelling by pirogue to her residence, Douala. A literate woman, she was a fashion designer, running her own small business. Both her ethnicity, the Duala, and his, the Yabassi, viewed this union of different ethnic groups with some disdain. Emmanuel had no siblings, although he had a stepbrother from his father's previous marriage who was four years older than he was. In Cameroon, one's ethnicity is dictated by their fathers, though he wrote in his autobiography, Three Kilos of Coffee, that he has never been able to identify completely with either of parents. Dibango's uncle was the leader of his extended family. Upon his death, Dibango's father refused to take over, as he never fully initiated his son into the Yabassi's customs. Throughout his childhood, Dibango slowly forgot the Yabassi language in favour of the Duala. However, his family did live in the Yabassi encampment on the Yabassi plateau, close to the Wouri River in central Douala. While a child, Dibango attended Protestant church every night for religious education, or nkouaida. He enjoyed studying music there, and reportedly was a fast learner. In 1941, after being educated at his village school, Dibango was accepted into a colonial school, near his home, where he learned French. He admired the teacher, whom he described as "an extraordinary draftsman and painter." In 1944, French president Charles de Gaulle chose this school to perform the welcoming ceremonies upon his arrival in Cameroon. Career He was a member of the seminal Congolese rumba group African Jazz, and has collaborated with many other musicians, including Fania All Stars, Fela Kuti, Herbie Hancock, Bill Laswell, Bernie Worrell, Ladysmith Black Mambazo, King Sunny Adé, Don Cherry, and Sly and Robbie. In 1998 he recorded the album CubAfrica with Cuban artist Eliades Ochoa. In 1973, this was the "kicker" on the jukebox, it got the party started and the hips swinging; I like the album cover too, that style defined 1973. Enjoy the music. |
The Frogman ventures South??? What's next, he orders Red Beans and Rice at Cafe Habana?? :)
My first CD of Donald Harrison was 'New York Second Line' with Terence Blanchard.
I need to find out what's up with Nawlins and Indians. Dr John sings about them often.
Nice, and different clips. Thanks.
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I thought this was "Trane", he looks like "Trane" from the side view, and they all sound similar to the group I saw; they sound more like "Trane" live, which is what he sounded like on his later records; musicians play freer live than on records, which is a good thing, because what they play live often does not sound good on records. Judging from the comments, somebody else initially made the same mistake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrX3prSAl1Y There's no doubt about Donald Harrison's intent on this one, and he succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. Enjoy the music. |
Don't forget the sweet plantains 😛 |
Don't forget the sweet plantains 😛 |
Did I say don't forget the sweet plantains? ☺️ |
O-10:
I think The Frogman is partial to sweet plantains, don't you?
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Manu Dibango: Sounded a little like 'Kool and The Gang'. In Africa, Once you get past Masekela and Ibrahim, quality Jazz is not that common. Nice dance hall stuff.
Donald Harrison: I think some folks can out Coltrane, Coltrane. And sometimes that's a good thing. Excellent clip.
Hey! where were the baseball caps??
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Honestly? Awful! Just about the worst thing I have heard posted on this thread. Sorry. If that was a joke, O-10, my apology. |
Frogman, I don't know whether or not you call "parody" a joke?
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Currently, when you get past those two, from what I've been able to find, "quality music" is not that common in Africa. There seems to be a common thread running through music all over the globe; I attribute this to the PC. Right now I'm exploring France; this is most interesting, and it's uncommon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZx1Mrt-35kGet back to you when I find "Da bomb". Enjoy the music. |
scat singing:
I do believe it was a case of the eyes overruling the ears. I remember Miss B.B. from my days in Atlanta, at the Peachtree Arts Theater. Luscious!!
The Music? The Frogman pretty much nailed it.
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Phew! Parody. After mistaking Donald Harrison (on alto!) for Trane, you had me worried for a moment 😉 |
Where are you going with this Frogman? If I saw Alvin Jones, McCoy Tyner, and Trane live, it would have been 100% impossible to make that mistake. The statement was an "Oversatement", so exactly where are you going with this? Since you knew it was an "overstatement", where are you going with this?
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Frogman, you're the joke; if you had stayed on this thread, which is the only one where you fit, you would be "hip" enough to follow the inside joke without explanation; but you chose to bounce around. Now you're like the "prodigal son" discontent in any way you turn. Just keep turning and which way is best will come to you.
Don't forget to enjoy the music while you're turning.
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O-10, you need to take a chill pill. The only place that I was "going" was an attempt at humor which you obviously misunderstood. Humor (parody) which you feel free to dole out and obviously can't take. I offer this explanation out of courtesy; courtesy which you don't deserve given your ridiculous and offensive reaction.
You have been claiming to have heard Trane live since this thread's inception. Now we learn, as I always suspected, that it was, as you say, an "overstatement" (lie). Bottom line: wether he had heard Trane live or not, any true "aficionado" would have been able to tell it was not Trane in the video for a variety of reasons: alto not tenor, rhythm personell, electric guitar player (?!), video quality (way too modern); oh yeah, and a minor detail, the saxophone playing itself is clearly not Trane's. As far as your comment about being "hip", please don't embarrass yourself any more than you already have.
I truly don't know where your tirade came from; it certainly was not deserved. I will simply assume that you got up on the wrong side of the bed or perhaps had too much to drink last night. I am sorry that my leaving your thread caused you distress; so, in spite of your hostility, I will be sure to not leave you to fend for yourself again. So, continue in your pursuit of trying to be hip (or should I say "boss"?); I wish you well.
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Frogman when I saw "Trane" he was playing a "Soprano Sax" and this is what the group looked like. The nice part was the fact that it was in a small club and I was no more than 20 feet away from the group. As I recall "My Favorite Things" was over a half hour long, because "Trane" went off into his "private thing" to parts unknown. Now I ask you does that look like any kind of a "Sax"? No, it looks like a clarinet. Envy is eating you alive Frogman because you never saw Trane playing any kind of sax. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kPXw6YaCEYI didn't see Trane in some "monster auditorium" or huge place like this one, but in an intimate night club where I sat at a table with another couple, a professional drummer, and a beautiful sexy lady; it was the kind of setting you dream about. Since you like to check details, the name of the club was "Gino's" in St. Louis. You have been claiming to have heard Trane live since this thread's inception. Now we learn, as I always suspected, that it was, as you say, an "overstatement" (lie). Bottom line: wether he had heard Trane live or not, any true "aficionado" would have been able to tell it was not Trane in the video for a variety of reasons: alto not tenor, rhythm personell, electric guitar player (?!), video quality (way too modern); oh yeah, and a minor detail, the saxophone playing itself is clearly not Trane's. As far as your comment about being "hip", please don't embarrass yourself any more than you already have. Now you're saying my claim to have seen Trane was a lie. I can only say, "Peace be with you Frogman". |
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Quantum Mechanics allows for Something to come from Nothing. Sort of like this 'Ruckus".
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Thank you Acman3 and Rok, very timely both. Humor is a good thing eventhough it goes over some folks' heads. You know, doctors say that it is very healthy to laugh; even when it is not sincere and one simply goes through the motions. O-10, I am befuddled and not sure where all your anger is coming from. Re Trane, I am reacting to your words. What, then, was the "overstatement" by you if not about having seen Trane live? Anyway, I am willing to move on and forget this idiotic exchange. As ususal, and as I recently said in one of the other threads where I "don't fit in": "Usually, the smeller's the feller" 😉 |
Acman3:
Great clip! Loved it! The Pigs were great, but I didn't think the Wolf was THAT bad. Of course, I listened to 'Bitches Brew' yesterday, and it could be some sort of Jazz Post Traumatic stress thingy.
Thanks for posting.
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Like hitting one's head against the wall; feels so good when we stop? 😅 |
Ha! It just came to me. I knew the silly comment reminded me of something. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SKc4jipdqn4What a sound! One of my very favorite tenor players. Love the way he could say so much with just one sustained note and the shape and inflection of it. Funkiest tenor sound ever. |
Turrentine:
This is the type music that introduced me to Jazz. You could hear tunes like this and stuff like Cannonball's 'sack of woe' on the Juke box in Bars..
As they say, very 'accessible' which I always took to mean, it ain't Ornette.
Nice clip.
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Aficionados: Betcha can't just listen to one track and stop there! Brown really knew his way around a Trumpet. His technique ranks right up there with Wynton, but I think he was a much better be-bop player than Wynton. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8lTZ7lQaykWhen you think of some people dying so young, it still makes you sad. Be sure to check out 'Blues walk' and 'Parisian Thoroughfare' Cheers |
Fabulous! Your comment re Clifford/Wynton is spot on. Boggles the mind to think what someone like him, or Bird, or Lee Morgan, or George Gershwin, or Otis Redding, or.... would have accomplished had they lived more than thirty five years or so. |
I know you're not fond of the "with strings" thing, but I have always had a soft spot for this record. One of my very favorites and features what I think is some of the greatest trumpet playing on record and possibly the greatest ballad playing by a trumpet player ever. Fireplace, some nice wine, your honey, this record, and ..... https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi8BquRmKA_n4umKPYQFIWlVzineIM9b2 |
Brownie with strings:
Nice playing esp for the moments / moods you described.
Lots of vibrato. Is that De Rigueur for Trumpet Ballards?
Some sage once said, the only up-side to talented people dying young, was that we never had to see / hear their talent deteriorate. Brownie and all the rest will be frozen in time and perfection.
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Don't know that it's de rigeuer for trumpet ballad playing, but probably de rigeuer for that style of ballad from the American songbook regardless of interpreter. Exception being players like Coltrane who used very little vibrato in his ballad playing and who was getting away from that aesthetic. Perhaps O-10 has some thoughts about this. Brownie's ballads and your question brought this other clip to mind. For me, this is the perfect interpretation of this ballad . She absolutely kills me on this clip and I could listen to this one hundred times; and is she gorgeous or what? Like I said before, fireplace, nice wine, this record and....Nancy.....damn! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QBmrDS2Zhaw |
