Jazz for aficionados


Jazz for aficionados

I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.

Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.

The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".

"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.

While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.

Enjoy the music.
orpheus10
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Rok, I suppose each of us has our own idea of what is and isn't Delta in a blues sense, but I have to agree with you that the city of N.O. was a relative void in the birth and development of blues music.  In that sense, you're also likely correct that young Louis "never set foot in that Delta."  My understanding is that the only way he ever left N.O. was by playing Jazz on the riverboats.

In those formative years, I think of Jazz as city music and Delta Blues as rural.  Blues became city music when it spread up the river and railroads to Chicago and other cities along the way as part of the "Great Migration."

Good way for me to spend a little time learning today while playing everyone's links.  A geographer would say N.O. is in the "St. Bernard Delta," which is one of six delta "lobes" that have formed over the millenia.  I don't want to go full nerd here, but if anyone is curious about their layout, here's a graphic:

https://mississippiriverdelta.org/files/2016/07/delta-lobes.jpg
(Not a hot link - you'll have to copy and paste in your browser.)
**** as incredulous as that might seem. ****

Just can’t help yourself, can you? Reminds me of the common syndrome that afflicts the mediocre, “one trick pony” saxophone player who “specializes” on one instrument, say the baritone. So, because he “specializes” and is only capable of playing one horn he automatically considers himself a better player on that instrument than the far superior player who happens to be versatile and plays more than one horn 😊.

Btw, no thanks necessary. Would hate for you to have to be up all night 😱

https://youtu.be/HlKwyMe2WUU


@frogman 

  Trentmemphis, checked out Freddy Cole @ JALC.  Very nice!  Unique stylist and very good band.  Thanks for the tip.

I’m intrigued by your comment re what people say about the Delta.  Would like your thoughts.

I just recently ran across Freddy, myself.  I dig him.  He's not trying to set the world on fire.  He just plays good music well.

The Delta is so dadgum complicated, it's hard to even know where to start.  And living practically my whole life on the *edge* of it, particularly as a white person, does not make me an expert.  Most particularly because I grew up in what's called a "sundown town."  But I did grow up cheek-by-jowl with it, in a small, rural town, in a family who didn't have any money and didn't even know anybody who *did* have any money.  I spent a lot of time on my grampa's farm, so I know the heat and the smell and the sweat of the cotton fields (and then the soybean fields and then the rice fields, with their clouds of mosquitos), up close and personal.  I know the levees and the ditches and the fence rows.  I know shotgun houses and dogtrot houses.  I know the religion of little, country churchhouses built by the same people who worship in them.  All of that was part of my raising.  It's very much a part of who I am.  Levon Helm and Johnny Cash are musicians I *immediately* and implicitly understood.  Race put me at one remove from Delta blues, but only one.  It was a different dialect, but still my native language.

When I hear people talk about my little part of the world, what they're saying usually *feels* untrue more than sounds untrue.  True as it may be, it's inaccurate.  I'm sure everyone feels that way when they hear an outsider talk about the place they're from.  It's just that the place I'm from happens to get talked about that way a *lot*.
   
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It makes me happy when others appreciate my favorite bassist; that's because he was the first. I heard him when I was in my teens, and been hooked every since.

Trentmemphis, I was crossing a river just before entering Hattiesburg Mississippi, when this song came on the radio.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv33eaygVDQ


It was the very first time I heard the song, and I was sure I was crossing the Tallahatchie Bridge, so this must be Chickasaw County, and I was looking for the Choctaw Ridge.

This girl certainly knows a lot about the Delta; fortunately it made her rich and famous.

It's a very unfortunate fact, but "Native Americans" or people with too much Native American Blood, don't live long if they move to Europe, even as nice as the people treat them. OP died in Copenhagen, just before his 38th Birthday of some kind of virus.
@frogman 

my, my aren't we touchy today.

@orpheus10 

if you were in Hattiesburg, you were no where near Tallahatchie County.

don't live long if they move to Europe, even as nice as the people treat them

nice as who treats them?  you along with a certain other poster, need to make yourselves smart on Europe.  It ain't what you think it is.

Cheers

The Lord would not put more on me than he knew I could handle.
O10, his "Blues in the Closet" sent me on a binge:

1.  Like a little kid, I listened 4 times, spellbound by the playing and sound.
2.  Remembering Chet Baker's version on my #1 CB ("The Italian Sessions"), I played that next.
3.  Back to YT and tracked down 10+ versions by many of the greats, a few with Pettiford himself.

Wonderful way to spend my late afternoon.  From what I've heard so far, the one you shared is unsurpassed.  Just wow.

Thank you Keegiam.


You're smart Rok; I'm a slow learner but I've had about 50 years to discover that fact.
@jafant 

Incredible that there is not an Audio shop in East Memphis or similar? I suspect customers drive to Nashville.

I moved here in my 30s, and I find [white] Memphians have a strange fascination with Nashville.  I think it's a grass-is-always-greener thing.  Memphis is not without serious problems, but the struggle with them is out in the open here.  Memphis wrestles with its history pretty honestly, unlike Nashville and, frankly, most other Southern cities.  You can feel history at work here.  Maybe that, along with the mashup of cultures, is why it's produced so much remarkable music.  (Nashville has produced a lot of music, too, obviously.  Some of it wonderful.  Most of it unremarkable, though, in my opinion, and much of what *is* remarkable is remarkable for its dishonesty and bad taste.  In my opinion.)

Anyway, yes, there's enough money in various parts of Memphis to support a good audio shop.  Just not enough of it belongs to audiophiles, I guess.

Tierney Sutton / Blue in Green
@rok2id 

The Lord would not put more on me than he knew I could handle.

My man Jim White would beg to differ:

Now dreams are just prayers without the put on airs
And though my history of dreams is a scandal
Of back-assward schemes and romantic disasters
Where Lord, you dealt me more cards than I could handle

Rok, I bet you Europe is better than Mississippi.


If you mean in regard to race, I'll take that bet.

Cheers
Trentmemphis, thanks for your thoughtful comments on the Delta.  
**** what they're saying usually *feels* untrue more than sounds untrue. True as it may be, it's inaccurate.  ****

Insightful comment and I know what you mean.


@orpheus10 

I had no idea there was so much Blues that I like, maybe I like Blues After all.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ_Op8dP5Iw

Enjoyed that one.  I have his Marseilles record.  May have to add that one, too.  Thanks.


You're welcome Mary_jo; "Ode To Billy Joe" is one of the most fantastic tunes to ever come out, and the beautiful "Bobby Gentry" sang it beautifully. Her album, and music describes "The Delta" in a most colorful manner.

That song came on just as I was crossing a bridge over a river before entering a town in Mississippi, and that was the very first time I heard it; consequently, I deduced, this must be da place. I was wrong.

I remember it was in August, and the year must have been 67, because the song wasn't on the radio or any where in St. Louis; it was spank brand new, and just being tested in Mississippi.

I was cruising across that bridge in my new 66 Deuce; short for Deuce and a quarter; AKA Buick Electra 225.
Steve Gutenberg/snake oil:

Actually, SG is one of the more reasonable guys in audiophile land. Scary? Not really. Why scary?

I do find it interesting that someone who is so anti “audiophile attitude” (not sure what that means) brings up the topic more than anyone else and on a fairly regular basis; in a music thread populated by audiophiles, nonetheless 🤔

On the assumption that any post is, at least to a degree, a solicitation of responses, here are some thoughts that come to mind on this very cold snowy morning in upstate NY while I listen to Miles “At Carnegie Hall” on my humble (by audiophile standards) country cabin system consisting of vintage Meitner electronics (solid state😫; but, at least the amps are monoblocs 😀), Totem speakers and ancient AR turntable. Oh, and Nordost cabling and BDR carbon fiber cones underneath everything......I guess that makes me an audiophile 😱:

- HE audio is a hobby that is not the least bit essential for the appreciation and enjoyment of music.

- HE audio is a hobby that, FOR SOME, enhances the music listening experience. Sometimes a great deal.

- HE audio is a hobby that, FOR SOME, has little to do with music; the pursuit is simply better and better “ear candy”; or, back patting self congratulation.

- HE audio is a hobby that, FOR MOST, the level of involvement falls somewhere between the two above.

- As far as the “ear candy” group goes: Who cares?! Let them have their fun. Better that than collecting assault rifles, no? Not to mention, it’s good for the economy.

- Practically ANY change to an audio system will cause a change in its sound. One of the biggest “influencers” in the perceived characteristics of sound is RESONANCE. Practically anything one does to a physical object will change its resonance characteristics and hence its sound. The same thing happens in live sound and with musical instruments. Change something on the instrument and you will change its sound.

- Whether the change in the sound can be perceived by any given listener is an open question. Like anything else physical, some listeners simply have better hearing acuity than others. Fact of life, but one can work at improving it. One can also learn to perceive differences; a different matter.

- Whether that change in sound is an “improvement” or not is another open question. The answer depends on the listener’s preferences and if the goal is TRULY to get closer to the sound of live music. Then, the amount of experience with and exposure to live music is key. Also a fact of life and no getting around it. “Neutral” is the most abused term in audio.

- Whether the “improvement” in sound is worth the sometimes outrageous prices is a question which is almost as impossible and pointless to try and answer as it is to try and answer the question of whether anything besides Delta Blues can be called The Blues; or, at what precise point in its evolution did Jazz stop being “Jazz”.

- So, yes, cables, footers, different amplifiers, different tubes all make a very real audible difference. Yes, all turntables and all CD players all sound different. Yes, digital sounds fundamentally different from analog. With the best gear the difference is small, but it is still there. On and on. 

- Does it matter? Depends.

https://youtu.be/cWGvsyeayFk







I'm just refreshing my memory on how I got to "Bobby Gentry" who is not jazz. That was in honor of Trentmemphis who is from "The Delta", I think. Is that correct Trentmemphis?

Her album depicts "The Mississippi Delta" as a very colorful rural setting where a young lady could enjoy life. When I listened to her album, I felt I had experienced a little bit of life in The Delta.

The fact that "Ode To Billy Joe" has been recorded by many jazz artists is testimony to it's greatness.


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ubj-mnkgf8


Maybe you know of other versions of "Ode To Billy Joe" as well.

@orpheus10

I’m selling all my possessions and heading for the promised land today!!! So they can treat me good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yu9hjIzBOU

They loved everyone when there were just a few artist, like Monk, Richard Wright, James Balwin, Mingus etc............. my, my how things change when the great unwashed show up.

Cheers

That just goes to show, things are messed up all over the place.


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_c5ff0EEcA


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73cjA1IcJw



I donated a few months to Larry Rice's New Life Shelter, where we utilized my electronics expertise to help him put up a television station.

I came in contact with the homeless during this time. This was in the early 80's, and it was nothing like it is now. Homeless people (unfortunately) consisted of mentally ill people who Ronald Reagan had kicked out of mental institutions, and mostly winos, plus some people who were just victims of bad luck. We were able to help the people who were victims of bad luck, the hopeless mentally ill brought tears to my eyes. For the winos, that was their lifestyle, but there were not a lot of what you would call "just normal people" like there is now.


     

It takes a lot of money, and many skilled people to put up a TV Station; I didn't mean to imply that me and Larry Rice put up a TV Station. I got the audio working when nobody else could, he would remember that.
@orpheus10 

Is that correct Trentmemphis?

Yup.

Carmen McRae / Carmen Sings Monk

I seem to be on a bit of a female vocalist kick.
 Practically ANY change to an audio system will cause a change in its sound. One of the biggest “influencers” in the perceived characteristics of sound is RESONANCE. Practically anything one does to a physical object will change its resonance characteristics and hence its sound. The same thing happens in live sound and with musical instruments. Change something on the instrument and you will change its sound.


Nein nein nein !!!!!   Not true, and worst than that, is the core element in the entire HE / audiophile con.

Cheers

Trentmemphis, Carmen is one of, if not my favorite female vocalists. That's my least favorite album by her though. I'll see what I can recommend and get back to you.

Trentmemphis, there were two high end salons in this area, they were both located where the richest people in St. Louis live; the Mercedes, Jaguar types. I spent as much time as I could in those salons, and I learned a lot; those are the only places where you can hear the expensive equipment that "Stereophile" reviews. (other than shows)

Besides listening to a lot of expensive equipment, I discovered that it's not rich people who actually buy high end equipment, but ordinary people who work at the post office, or firemen, or policemen; rich people just seemed to drive on by, but people who have to drive a less expensive car in order to afford the hobby are the one's who buy.

I really hated when those places closed in the early 90's.
**** Nein nein nein !!!!!...(etc)..   ****

Absolutely true.  Your loss.  
I’m just refreshing my memory on how I got to "Bobby Gentry" who is not jazz.
It may not be jazz but it is jazzy. :--)

I really enjoy in her voice, it is so persuasive. She is damn good narrator and a deliverer. Not to mention good look. Dangerous combination. :--)
Nein nein nein !!!!!  
You sound like you need a tea. I'll make you one. Black or green?
I too enjoy her voice. Hadn’t heard that song in a long time. Very soulful and heart felt delivery. 

Isn’t this interesting? An otherwise fantastic singer; an icon who some rightfully consider one of the best, maybe THE best ever. Yet, this is not the song for her. What were they thinking?!

https://youtu.be/p1Dn3xbDrK0