Jazz for aficionados
I just discovered that "Afrobeat" was a complete genre of music, I thought it was just used to describe a few groups. Here is a "Newen Afrobeat" concert. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRwAwOsebZs I really like the smiles and energy of the girls in the group; they seem to be having so much fun. |
I decided to compare the Afro beat to the Afro Brazil; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpP5poqFq4E This is one sexy groove, just like all things Brazilian. |
Now we go to Cuba, "Ruben Gonzalez"; this music makes you want to dance; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pABLkXjNaUk |
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Keegiam, I thought you were referring to “Spain”. You’re right, “Antidote” is even trickier with syncopations that are even more complicated. However, the tune is still in 4/4. When “trying to maintain 4/4 time” keep in mind that the downbeat of the tune is silent and the first note one hears (piano) is actually a syncopated note on the second 16th note of beat 1 of the first measure. The first piano left hand bass note that one hears (and later the brass and perc) is on the last 16th note of the first measure. Confusing matters even more is that the brass entrance of the same melody is a pickup note (16th) into the downbeat of the 5th measure of the tune. Stays in 4/4 the whole time. Classic Afro/Latin syncopation in which the “basic” 1,2,3,4 pulse is felt even though few instruments are actually playing on those downbeats. Nice tune. https://youtu.be/yn4KbJ1Xtsc |
O-10, I realize that I don’t have the great ability that you do to definitively define music genres, but I wondered if you noticed the uncanny similarities between the Kokoroco tune that you posted which I “wasn’t sure is Jazz” and much of the “Afrobeat” (Newen Afrobeat) music that you just posted? As an aside, to my ears Kokoroko is on a much higher level of musicianship; but, what do I know? |
Frogman, I will be more than delighted to explain; first, they both are of the same "genre", and that is "Afrobeat". Newen Afrobeat channels the music of Fela Anikulapo Kuti. He spent his life protesting oppression in Nigeria, his songs always have a message. Since I have been a fan of his music for many years, my ears are most receptive to Newen Afrobeat. Their music is actually more African than Kokoroko. Kokoroko simply plays jazz with an Afrobeat. I don't hear an uncanny similarity between the two groups. Maybe others here, hear that same "uncanny similarity"? It is foolish for one man to argue with another man in regard to his sense of aesthetics in music; much of the music posted on this forum makes my ears cry, but they like it, who am I to judge? |
frogman, thank you for your detailed description. I have printed your post and plan to jot the syncopation down on staff. It's been so many years since I've read music I need to brush up, starting with understanding your explanation of "Antidote." I'd like to be able to recognize the complexity of the syncopation within the time as well as you do. BTW, nice talk on syncopation by Wynton. |
O-10, they share the rhythmic foundation. What then makes one “Jazz” for you and not the other. Specifically, please. And, btw, the only reason I’m asking any of this is that you reacted very strongly to my expressing doubt as to whether I would call it Jazz or not; as if I had somehow criticized the fact that FOR YOU it is Jazz. Hence the question. |
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/nov/25/makaya-mccraven-nubya-garcia-review-earth-jazz-festiva... This music is "sublime"; the definition of sublime is: Of such excellence, grandeur, or beauty as to inspire great admiration or awe. Elevate to a high degree of moral or spiritual purity or excellence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mem_n0h8Q4&t=27s |
Today's Listen: Thelonious Monk -- THE COMPLETE PRESTIGE RECORDINGS Frank Foster(ts), Ray Copeland(trumpet), Curly Russell(bass), Art Blakey(drums) The 3CD set also includes Rollins and Miles on Prestige. Disc #2 smoke gets in your eyes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae1haBMK0kI hacksensack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJbDS3HSJ-E locomotive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PnWdyPpGZ8 blue monk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZcTZycaBdg percy heath(bass) No Rouse! Cheers |
Nowhere did I ever state that one was jazz and the other wasn't, but Newen Afrobeat is more "African" with less jazz, than "Kokoroko" This is Fela undiluted; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj5x6pbJMyU This is Newen Afrobeat doing the same number; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFOc9N1kXKA It's quite possible that you don't hear what I hear; I hear music that's hundreds of years old, I hear music from the time slaves were being dragged across Africa, I hear the silence from the time slaves in the US were forbidden to have African drums, you can't hear that. |
Squarely in the middle of the umbrella. One of the things that a great recording artist considers is the order of the tunes on the record. This is one of my favorite records and there is something very right about the way the tunes, style wise and amount of time between tracks, seem to create a larger picture in total. The first half in particular; almost like the movements of symphony: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k5H5SfwjK4k-xs6r2JALJmYJmXkDXXuL0 |
Frogman, there is an "under current" being added to this thread and you're adding it. I left a link, an important link about "Charlie "Bird" Parker" and you didn't respond to that. Instead you decided to press on about this "jazz nothing" in regard to Afrobeat. I'll post the link again in case any body decides to respond. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/nov/18/head-explode-sax-stars-genius-tragedy-charlie-parker After that I posted two links about Nubya Garcia. Of course they were ignored, and you continued to press on about nothing, but the nothing was addressed to me, it seems you want to make this thread about me. |
One of the things that a great recording artist considers is the order of the tunes on the record. Excellent point. I was about to say something similar about some of this so-called African music, but did not. Some of that stuff is just the same thing from start to finish. No beginning, middle or end. The Duke said it all had a sameness to it. Wanna know if you are connecting with the audience, just stop playing in the middle of the tune. If they applaud, you are in trouble. If they look at each other with a puzzled confused look, they were listening and connected. Anticipating the finish. Cheers Moron??? Have I been dissed? |
O-10, please cut it out and move on. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGSxK-_xeRIYQaLYEqpI1HED6r_gV04H3 |
Jack Johnson kills. Great record. On that record was a young Steve Grossman on saxophone. After Brecker, my favorite of the post-Coltrane tenor players. https://youtu.be/9APktSqWT58 https://youtu.be/0EwdZfd0RFA |
Frogman, this is like my morning cup of coffee, it wakes me up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V-aNg9TBiQ |
Btw, I should have provided more info for the clips posted above since YouTube doesn’t provide it. The rhythm section on both Steve Grossman ”Some Shapes To Come” (1974 debut album as a leader) and “Terra Firma” (1977) is Jan Hammer/keys, Gene Perla/bass and Don Alias/drums. The wonderful chart played by Benny Goodman was written by the great Chico O’Farrill. |
Today’s Listen: Charlie Parker -- BEST OF THE COMPLETE SAVOY AND DIAL STUDIO RECORDINGS Featuring: Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis, J.J. Johnson, John Lewis, Erroll Garner, Max Roach, Bud Powell. Very good sound quality, compared to most Bird recordings. tiny’s tempo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgqaulnlt4Q koko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEMiI_wsNi0 cool blues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7we5T7Hm95M yardbird suite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMWD4E5vFpI and 16 more. Notice how they get right down to business. One of the good things about 78-rpm time restraints. The rather abrupt endings being a disadvantage. Cheers |
Its Friday night, good concert sounds like lot of fun. How about this one? https://i.pinimg.com/474x/99/a1/c4/99a1c469b99c9a2cfb4b200c25a9a7bd.jpg |
