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Patriotic tunes celebrating our 45th President.
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I am looking for Warren Battiste- "just friends" on CD.
Let me know if one of you guys can help me out- PM me.
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Excellent recommendation frogman. Great music and sound quality.
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Glad you liked it, Dave. I'm a sucker for a great tenor sound. Here's another classic RVG recording of another of the tenor saxophone giants who, unfortunately, is mostly only known for his CTI recordings. Those (CTI) are also very good, but generally not on the same musical level as the Blue Note's: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nSREpSL-Yqk |
Like wine, jazz has it's better years, and 62 was most certainly one of them, and by one of the masters of that form of musical communication. "Jazz Jazz" was still in vogue in 62, consequently, that master's musical language reaches me on a deep internal level. Someone else with that same ability to communicate with me was "Ike Quebec" with his album "Heavy Soul", that was also released about the same time as Dexter's "Go!". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3zQXxTwugA&list=PLjSczc1oDTLB9mk9FD6ucHOQurfqRYePpHere we have the entire album; although not one weak cut, "Heavy Soul" is my favorite. Ike died in 63, which was at the same time "Heavy Soul" had become my favorite LP. I was told that the band members knew that Ike was terminal when they cut that album; you can hear it in the music, especially on Freddy Roach's organ, listen. To the club members: (Dave, you can become one if you like; it's because we have been communicating so long, that I refer to them as members) I've returned to focusing on this period in jazz because it gives me more enjoyment than any other period. Frogman, both Dexter and Stanley were boss. Enjoy the music. |
Some periods of time in jazz are the more fertile than others, and there will always be debate in which times they were. I recall times that stand out for me in different musicians lives; for example let's take Wes Montgomery; I liked him better before he became famous. When he had his trio in "Naptown", they played for themselves, and the fan club in his "hometown". One of the tunes is "Around Midnight"; Wes Montgomery Trio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Xozvcf0FAEnjoy this music. |
Well, Orpheus, guess we can all say that 'Things aint what they used to be' https://youtu.be/rRK0AQX9rhohttps://youtu.be/9ux3HxLcEjIMel Rhyne, organ player on many Wes Montgomery albums, from 1960. album 'Organ-izing', together with Blue Mitchell, Johnny Griffin, Gene Harris, Albert Heath and Andy Simpkins Its possible that I have posted that abum before... |
Mel Rhyne's music has a similar feel as Wes Montgomery's at that time; it hit's the sweet spot for me. Alex, do you know whether or not that CD or record is available? I could listen to music like that all day long.
I'm enjoying your music.
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Did I ever tell yall about the time I was a "sideman"; I was a "sideman" at a musician's brother's party.
We were at a small party, having a good time drinking fine liquor and enjoying good music, when the host suggested that we all had some kind of musical talent. (I know this story would sound better, if I said I was at a musicians party, but that ain't the way it happened)
I can drink fine (free) liquor and enjoy good music all night long (at least I could at that time, which was a long time ago) but I can still enjoy good music, as long as it's not all night.
Our host had a variety of very basic musical instruments hanging on the wall and laying around: a tambourine, bongos, harmonica, whistle, flute, plus others I don't remember. He gave me the whistle, my lady friend the tambourine, and passed around what was left to guests who wanted to participate, then he put a record with background music on the turntable, and gave us direction on what to play, and when.
The music was a little rough in the beginning, but I got the feel of the rhythm from the drums and tambourine, and tooted my whistle like I imagined "Bird" or "Trane" would toot their horns. Once we got the feel from his direction, and the background music, we continued on after the record quit playing, and it began to sound like music.
I simply felt the music others were playing, and made sounds that corresponded to what I felt, from the music they made; believe it or not, we made credible music.
We had a lot of fun, and he proved his point that everybody has "some" musical talent.
That made me think about "Sidemen"; they can sound ever so good, until they decide to make a record as leader. I had been listening to one of my favorite sidemen for years, and wondered when he was going to make a record as "Leader". Finally he made a record; I couldn't wait to get to the record store, it seemed like the car was going too slow, I wanted to fly. After I got the record back home, there was the anticipation of finally hearing a record where he was the leader.
I hate to use the word "disappointed", but that's the only one I can find at the moment. My expectations were not quite met would be a better way to put it. This has been repeated many times down through the years; so much so, that I've come to the conclusion that there are sidemen, and there are leaders; if I had been a musician, I believe I would have been a sideman, not everybody is cut out to be "leader man".
Enjoy the music.
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*****not everybody is cut out to be "leader man".*****
This is especially true if they play Drums,. Bass or "whistle".
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Orpheus, check the Amazon, there is one edition for 7.5usd.
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Rok, that guy Frogman submitted could win the "Downbeat Poll" for best "jazz whistler" of the year anytime; and I only had four Courvoisiers.
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Alex, I saw 3 CD's on Amazon, but not the one you presented; do you recommend all of those they presented?
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I saw it Alex, and it will be on order.
Thanks
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Lord, Lord will my travail ever cease??
Mingus was one of the great Jazz composers. This is the source of his fame. His leadership of the group was through his compositions and arrangements, not his bass playing.
Roach and Blakey were known primarily through the people that played with them. Such as Brownie and the multitudes that played and matured with Blakey.
Haden?? No Comment, since his 'sounds' were / are not Jazz.
All this is covered in Jazz-Jazz 101.
Cheers
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Rok, while I agree with your comments until you get to "Haden"; everything must change, or evolve, and jazz is no different, but when it changed, you remained the same. I changed, but in a different way, I liked Scotch then, and now I like orange jello.
The problem we have, is one word, and that word is "jazz"; what if we agreed to call your music "Jazz", and Haden's music "Music Music" would that satisfy this debate.
I like a lot of Charlie Hadens music, and when I listen, I do not have this raging debate as to whether or not it's jazz. While you like "jazz jazz", you also like a lot of music that's clearly "not jazz", so as we can see you like more than just "jazz", but you feel someone else has laid claim to the name of your favorite music, when in reality it's simply that music during one period of time in it's evolution. But you must realize that nobody wanted to changed your name as you went through an aging evolution; nobody wanted to change your name from "young Rok" to old Rok, or "Dwain" (God I hate that name). Imagine having to go through the rest of your life with that name because as you evolved, you couldn't keep your old name, and you had to be called "Dwain".
Is a rose by any other name still a rose? I don't think I can get any "stupider" with this point, that doesn't have a point, but maybe everyone can get my drift; call it jazz or not jazz after the change, I still like some of Charlie Hadens music.
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My only point, was that bassist and drummers were good leaders.
Roach always had a great band up until he died. He was not known to me as a sideman.
Blakey by your own words was a leader.
Mingus was a virtuoso bassist, who LED some of the greatest bands ever.
Haden led some great bands and put out a great body of work. You do yourself a great disservice to just ignore him, but as usual, that is your choice.
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You do yourself a great disservice to just ignore him, but as usual, that is your choice.*****
I don't ignore him (Haden). I have him with Hank Jones on the CD "Steal Away" and also I have the CD "Dream Keepers". The guy is heavy into "Free Jazz". Which is another way of saying, that Jazz music is whatever the composer / player says it is. I just disagree. Can't do that in any other genre, why should Jazz be singled out for that nonsense.
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I agree completely, Acman3; and great clips, btw. There is a danger in, in any way, suggesting that the importance of players (like Roach) who were "not known as leaders" took a back seat, in the real scheme of things, to the guys in the front line who oftentimes get the limelight. The players themselves don't see it that way. In the cauldron of creative musical activity that is the Jazz scene there are many players who shaped its direction and added fuel to the fire underneath it that sometimes are relegated to the status of "sidemen". Drummers and bass players are the usual targets of this thinking. Roach is one of the most important jazz musicians who ever lived and as you point out a great leader in his own right. The magic that is possible and happens when a rhythm section is composed of players with a similar musical vision allows the full expression of the "leader"'s vision. The projects where the drummer is expected to do no more than go "ca-chink, ca-chink" are usually not very good no matter who the leader is. I can't imagine what Miles' 60's quintet would have produced without Tony Williams in the rhythm section; or Trane's quartet without Elvin Jones. The other danger is in potentially shortchanging the contribution of someone like Mingus as a player because of the excellence of the writing. Sure, his writing and arranging was great, and that is what stands out out for many; but, digging a little deeper, I wonder what his recordings would sound like without the amazing propulsive feeling and dry sound in his bass playing bringing a distinctive feeling to the music overall and the playing of the sidemen? Another player that doesn't get his due as a player because his writing and arranging were so great was Oliver Nelson. His "Blues And The Abstract Truth" is a masterpiece in Jazz writing and arranging as well as playing. He was a fantastic saxophone player and his playing, as well as being very soulful, always demonstrated the discipline and logic that are so essential to the art of composition and arranging. Few players played with as much control of thematic development in an improvised solo. One of my very favorite records with probably my favorite rendition of "What's New"; even Dexter Gordon's takes a back seat to the one on "Meet Oliver Nelson". Beautiful record: https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLddfRe84PI3iMpV4np6EO-x10y5-vMXQC&v=OCjbjGXrkyI |
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Roach is one of the most important jazz musicians who ever lived *****
This makes even less sense than the infamous "Stravinsky ranks right up there with Mozart."
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I wonder what his recordings would sound like without the amazing propulsive feeling and dry sound in his bass playing *****
They would sound like 'Hog Calling Blues'.
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I agree completely, Acman3;*****
I'm shocked, SHOCKED!!!!
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You're not digging deep enough. Imo, of course; we all draw the line at different points. Thanks for rembering my comments; but, you give me way too much credit for infamy. The comment about Mozart/Stravinsky is something that has been pointed out by countless others before me and continues to be an accepted truth in music circles; for whatever that may be worth to you. Not much; I suspect.
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Rok, You like to climb a tree, go out on a limb,and saw it halfway in two, with controversial statements. People will challenge your statements, and that's the way you like it.
I make statements that are so overthought they are boring, but makes it easy to agree with.
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Things ain't what they used to be, but the music is better than ever today. Charlie Haden, Hank Jones, and a photograph of that backwoods church, put tears in my eyes; simple God fearing people whose interests have never been considered from that day to this one, went to those churches. One day I'll be re-united with those good people. Grant Green feels the way I feel today; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SHdqD077yY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBTvy8As0cQEnjoy the music. |
The picture of the Church is awesome. I'll take a wild guess and say Baptist. :) They did a great job on the music.
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Rok, is there any other?*****
I remember asking my Mom the very same question a few centuries ago.
My church was started, by members of my family and others, in 1865. Building was wiped out during '27 high water, and has been at it's present location since then. Great people and music.
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Consider this:
Max Roach never existed. What impact on Jazz??
Louis Armstrong never existed. What impact on Jazz?
Try the same for Miles, Coltrane, Ellington, Monk, Mingus etc.....
See how easy that was?
He was hall of fame, but not one of the most important ever.
Cheers
BTW the NYT is the outfit that hyped Stravinsky. Maybe the first Classical Composer to benefit from modern media hype. Had he lived in Mozart's time, we would not know his name.
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As always, so unfortunate that this thread has to sink to this level instead of aspiring for better.
**** Had he lived in Mozart's time, we would not know his name.****
If you could understand why this comment says it all, and I mean ALL, perhaps there could be some interesting discussion about the greatness of Oliver Nelson instead of this nonsense. Too bad. Hint:
"Had Trane lived in Jelly Roll's time; we would not know his name"
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