****'You would be surprised'****
Nope, don't think so. I stand by what I said. When it comes to the REAL blues, you might be surprised.
**********but IMO, if a jazz lover doesn't know (for example) that most blues tunes are 12 measures long, I would suggest that the love doesn't go quite deep enough.******
I am not offended in the least. I know about the Blues thingy, but I am surprised you would use that, because a lot of the Jazz that you have presented on this forum,as being your favorites, has no blues element at all. Which pretty much sums up what's wrong with so-called MODERN / WORLD Jazz.
And lastly, there is no prerequisite or requirement, to have any formal education, or training, or experience, or talent, in order to appreciate music, or any other art form. If there were, the concert halls and art galleries would be empty.
But in the end, it is the non-musical, the non-artistic, who are the final arbitrators. They decide who is great and not so great. They decide who is saying something and who is not. Lack of knowledge of the blues notwithstanding.
So the consumers of all this effort by the creative musicians, are the most important folks in the entire scheme of things.
Your post was very informative to me. Rudimentary or not.
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I think that it is importantly to stay on focus in these discussions. I said nothing about "formal" training being a prerequisite for anything. To understand what "form" is in a tune, and to be able to explain the rudiments of improvisation is something that, even if one doesn't "study" it, is one thing that becomes part of any competent musician's (any genre) sphere of knowledge simply through assimilation, and what the process of (for instance) memorizing a tune demands of a musician. I think that you are mistaken about this. I have met many non-musician music "geeks" without any "formal" music education who have a very deep understanding of all this and much more. All I am saying is that it is a very worthwhile pursuit, and that (going back to the issue of the romanticizing of the process) there is no need to fear the learning; it will do nothing but heighten the enjoyment of the music.
****but I am surprised you would use that, because a lot of the Jazz that you have presented on this forum,as being your favorites, has no blues element at all****
Are you kidding me? What was the very first recording I recommended in my first post to this thread? "Blues And The Abstract Truth"; and many others have their roots in the blues. Focus, man, focus :-)
****But in the end, it is the non-musical, the non-artistic, who are the final arbitrators. They decide who is great and not so great. They decide who is saying something and who is not. Lack of knowledge of the blues notwithstanding.****
Really? Two words; well actually one word and one letter:
Kenny G
OK, that was trite; sorry. Look at it this way: if it weren't for the scene itself (the players) promoting certain players who they like to play with, and who the established cats feel will be important voices, the corporate dudes would not know who they are. Obviously, at some point the politics of it all starts to take on more and more importance, but usually by then the foundation has been laid out by the scene itself; not the other way around. With some exceptions as to merit; of course. Again, two words...... |
Here's how it was explained to me by a working musician -- you don't actually know 1,600 songs. What you do know are standard harmonic devices which are the basis of popular music. You know these in different keys and can work them in various modes. With a few exceptions the structure of most songs are fairly standardized. It also helps if someone in the band actually knows the melody. And if you start to get lost, you can always play some blues. Finally, he said you have to study specific tunes from people like Ellington, Monk or Shorter because they are different enough to require individual study. The way I understand what he was saying is that once you understand what form the music is in, playing the song becomes relatively easy, assuming you have talent and you've put in the hours of practice. |
"Music appreciation of the 'high end' seems to stop at 'Kind of Blue', and then only if it's an 'audiophile' pressing." If I hear that mentioned one more time I'm going to have twins.
Rok, I'm not sure we're communicating when we talk about "Blues", because I never liked what we called "gut bucket" blues. As a matter of fact we're talking about a whole different culture of people, not just music. Many people who like "gut bucket" blues don't seem to be aware of that.
Enjoy the music.
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********"Are you kidding me? What was the very first recording I recommended in my first post to this thread? "Blues And The Abstract Truth"; and many others have their roots in the blues. Focus, man, focus :-)"*******
After considerable focusing, I Seem to recall certain folks talking about, and singing the prasies of the ARAB and the SPANISH and the AFRICAN influences in Jazz. Seems like I remember YOUTUBES of examples of these 'influential' folks flying back and forth. The term 'World Jazz' was used a lot.
Some how, Southwest Pakistani Folk 'Jazz,' comes to mind.
All in all, not exactly hotbeds of the blues.
Could I have imagined it all???
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The last paragraph in your post. I have no problem with it, if you mean:
The players sort themselves out, declare someone DA MAN, then the kingmakers weigh in, and select the ones that they think can make it all the way, and make money for everyone, then I agree.
BUT, if the anointed ones do not impress the public, then the process starts all over again, until they find a more acceptable candidate. Not more talented, not more respected by his peers, but more acceptable to the ignorant, fickle, know nothing, public.
So in the end it still comes down to the public. (me) Musicians / Artists HATE this. Too Bad! That's the way of the world when it comes to the Entertainment / Music business.
BTW, I am not a musician, so I find it curious that you think I would be offended by not knowing the details of music theory.
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Kenny G
Kenny was a one hit wonder. Not the first or the last. I own a Christmas CD by Kenny G. Given to me as a Christmas present. Nothing else. He got lucky with a catchy tune, and he never claimed to be a Jazz musician.
BUT, If I had to be locked in a cell with a choice of Kenny G or Ornette Coleman playing non-stop!! Guess what?
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Rok, c'mon now. With all due respect, you have a way of skirting the issues. What on earth does the fact that the discussion, at one point, veered into the area of the influences on jazz other than the African one have to do with anything? How does that lessen the fact that, yes, most of my recommendations are, in fact, rooted in the blues. There is strength in conceding when when one is mistaken. You are mistaken.
Kenny G a one hit wonder? I suggest you get your facts straight. He is the biggest selling instrumental recording artist (?) in modern times with record sales of more than 75 million !!!.
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I googled Kenny G. I cannot belive it. You are right. It's hard to believe there are 75, let along 75 million people, on the planet that would buy his stuff.
But it is interesting, that you know a lot about Kenny G! :) hmmmm get that duotones outta that CD player. You are busted!!!
I was wrong. Your recommendations have been almost as good as mine. And blues based. OK?
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"Who wants to listen to Grandpa's music?"
Me.
I did notice how totally disinterested the audience was. Or maybe they were in a stunned stupor. Not Jazz. But, it could be Polish Jazz.
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@Orpheus - that's a nice story. By the way, I have never heard of a repairman who was not a musician - not all of them ex-professionals, of course, but all of them played something at some point, at least in high school. They have to be able to play test the instrument, after all, to make sure it is good to go. Many of the top brass repair guys around the country, the ones who work on the very high quality instruments, are still playing a little bit professionally too, as free-lancers.
As far as your question about how people pick who they play with, well, one person in the group is always the leader, who takes care of the business end of the group and is the person dealing with whoever is hiring the musicians, whether it is a group that plays together all the time, or it is truly a pick-up group, and he/she hires musicians he is familiar with, or come highly recommended, if they are trying someone out for the first time. Or the employer may go through a professional contractor, who hires a pre-existing group, or puts one together. I have done a small amount of that type of contracting work, hiring a brass quintet for a church for Christmas and Easter gigs. It is alot of work, especially when the church only tells you a few weeks before, and you are scrambling to find people and having to hire people you don't know, because everyone you do is already working (usually we are hired for such holiday jobs months in advance). Wouldn't want to do that full-time, but I have done it here and there. One of the first things many young musicians will do who want to get their free-lance careers going is figure out who these big contractors are in their area, and send them their resumes, etc.
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@Rok2id - I would like emphasize something Frogman said - "I think that the point is how little most non-musican music lovers/audiophiles understand, how much there is to learn (if wanted), how much learning can improve appreciation, and that there is often a visceral aversion to learning more." First, it is sometimes very difficult for us musicians to speak to non-musicians about music without coming off as condescending, so we truly are always concerned about people thinking we are insulting their intelligence. We have all heard the phrase "music is a universal language," and this is true. However, it is a language that most people think they know much more about than they actually do (which recalls another famous saying, "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"). You talk about the visceral part, and HOME, etc., and we are not saying you are wrong. What we are saying is that this is just the starting point for the musician. The more one understands about music intellectually, the more one appreciates what the musicians are doing (in any genre), and the deeper then becomes one's visceral appreciation as well. We know this to be true, yet this concept is often fiercely resisted by the music lover/audiophile who is non-musical. I would submit to you that if you took some time to take an ear-training course, or a fundamentals of music theory course, or even a music appreciation course at a local university or community college in your area, it would enrich your appreciation of the music you already love, and probably introduce you to whole new musical loves, far beyond what you could possibly imagine now. Folks like you and Orpheus and Charles1dad would be perfect students for such courses. Don't be afraid of it turning music into an academic exercise - in fact, I guarantee, assuming a decent teacher, that the very opposite will happen - your love and appreciation for music will deepen more than you think it possibly could. You would not regret it.
Another directly related personal story - for nine years, I taught French horn lessons very part-time (obviously my symphony job is my full-time job) at a major university. However, I did not teach the horn majors (another one of my colleagues did this) - I taught the non-majors, kids who had a band scholarship that required them to take the lessons, or kids who just wanted to keep playing but weren't necessarily in the music program otherwise. I have also had many adult students in my career, which frankly was not intended by me, but has become something of a specialty - two of my three current private students are adults. I was/am very much of a maverick as a teacher - I did of course help them play the horn much better, but I also insist on my students learning at least the rudiments of music theory, and I help to train their ears better (something my theory major in college taught me to do, by helping with music students who needed the extra help). I am in touch with many of my former students, all of whom thought it was a little strange at the time, but all of whom now greatly appreciate it, even though most of them don't actually play anymore, and almost all of them have continued it on their own. In every single case, it increased their love for music. One of them was actually a guy who also played some guitar, and I helped him learn some of the scales and chords he needed to learn to begin to learn to improvise - which was great fun for me, too, as it had been a long time since I had done any improvisation myself. Though we started it on the horn, he has since transferred it to his guitar playing, and last I heard he was in a jazz combo now in New Orleans, though I don't think it is his main job. Helping this type of student can often be as rewarding as helping the very most talented ones. |
Learsfool & The Frogman:
Let me make a few points:
1. You do not offend me when you correct me or display knowledge that I don't possess. I spent 30 years in the U.S. Military. You get used to blunt, straight talk. No tap dancing or sugar coating. Thin skins don't survive. I have no modesty, and I cannot be offended.
Now I would bet, that if I asked you how to deploy a platoon in the field or how to call in artillery support or how to defend against Chemical, Biological and Nuclear attacks or where to place the Machine Guns or where to dig the Fighting Positions, there is a good chance you would not know. Does not reflect on your intelligence. It's just that you have not been trained to do these things. I hope you get my point.
I view your participation in this type thread as an oppourtunity to pick your brains. With the full realization that you two must be bored to tears.
2. I was just thinking about gaining more musical knowledge. I wonder if that is not a two edged sword. Sure I could have better understanding as to what I am hearing, and what the musicians are doing. But, at the same time if seems as if it would take more to impress me.
I hear CDs now and I am in awe of what I hear. The Frogman not so much. He knows too much. I marvel at 'hog calling blues' but I don't think the Frogman was as impressed as I am. He can disect the action. To me it's just wonderful confusion, that somehow never quite flys apart, and comes together in the end.!
When I was a kid growing up, I loved military movies. Didn't miss a one that came to my town. I also worked at the movie house, so I saw them all free. Then later, I was drafted and went into the real military. Loved everyday of the 30 years. No greater life. BUT, I can no longer bear to sit thru a military movie. Why? Because they are 99% BS. I now know too much.
Will the same thing happened if a person increases
his knowledge of the making and playing of music? Esp Jazz improvisation. It's one thing to know and then play. Another to know and just listen to others play. Or so I would think.
Learsfool: I have at least 10 differnt performances of LvB's 7th. I love them all. I bet you would not.
Just thinking out loud.
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Acman3, that's the sound of some "new jazz", and I did not see one single solitary black face. Jazz is not a race of people, jazz is not a nationality; jazz is music, and it goes wherever the creative muse takes it, this is hip, the muse has taken jazz to poland, and I like it.
Enjoy the music.
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Hey Frogman, GREAT ARTICLE! Thanks for sharing, Freddie is one of my favorite trumpeters. It was good to read about him.
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Rok, my favorite movie was "Apocalypse Now", it's good they don't allow weapons at the VA, cause them fightn words.
Enjoy the music.
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Rok, excellent and very honest post! First of all, thank you for your service.
****You get used to blunt, straight talk. No tap dancing or sugar coating. Thin skins don't survive. I have no modesty, and I cannot be offended.****
I respect that; and probably the reason that in spite of the fireworks in this and in other threads we can joke about hog calling.
****how to call in artillery support or how to defend against Chemical, Biological and Nuclear attacks or where to place the Machine Guns or where to dig the Fighting Positions, there is a good chance you would not know. ****
Very true. But, I assure that in the scheme of my world as a working musician it has often felt as if I have had to defend against similar attacks (bad time and intonation. :-)
**** I wonder if that is not a two edged sword. Sure I could have better understanding as to what I am hearing, and what the musicians are doing. But, at the same time if seems as if it would take more to impress me.****
Probably. But, you will be that much more impressed when you are.
****I have at least 10 differnt performances of LvB's 7th. I love them all.****
Do you like some more than others? Can you isolate what it is that you like about the ones that you listen to most?
I understand your concern and it proves my point about the aversion to learning more. You mentioned the Mingus recording. I love that cut! Not sure why you would think that I am less impressed with it than you are, other than the fact that I did a simple analysis of Rahsaan's solo (which is fantastic) and was able to describe some aspects of it. That in no way detracts from my enjoyment of it; in fact, it only increases it. But, it also serves to lay bare the bullshitters who honk and squawk and try to impress with their "individuality" and "energy". That is a good thing, IMO.
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Rok2kid, I too share your technical ignorance about music form, etc. In fact mine ignorance is rather profound, at least so I'm told. :-) That said, consider that most folks, and I assume you as well, have grown accustomed to wearing 2 hats in 'audio', i.e. you have lots of knowledge about audio components, set ups, and the results of careful attention to the details. Obviously in order to really enjoy listening to music you must learn how to disregard your audio achievements. Some folks do get hung up on listening to soundstage, detail/resolution, and such but for the most part they will risk burning out on the audio hobby if they can't get past this and learn how to listen thru and focus on the music.
I think as much can be said about listening to music. You can have a lot of knowledge about music, appreciate the theory and practices of composition and performance, yet be able to listen beyond that and just enjoy. As Frogman indicated the best part of having some knowledge is that when you find music you really love if you have some knowledge you will know why you love it.
It has become clear from recent posts that A-Gon's music forum has some participants that speak to the subject, not so much about themselves. A breath of fresh air! Consider, Rok, that if you have no knowledge you can only express a subjective opinion which can limit discussions and make them one dimensional.
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Newbee:
Thanks for the post. The more posters the better. I agree with almost all of what you said. I do disagree with your last sentence.
I never meant to say that I have 'NO' knowledge of music. I realize that it is a rarity on this site, for a person to admit that there is something they do not know, so when it happens, people tend to think of them as complete dumbasses. That is not the case here.
I just appreciate the fact that The Frogman has had education and work experiences in the music field that I have not had. Because of this I seek information from him, and defer to him on many music questions.
I still like what I like, and ANY reason a person gives for preferring certain music is legit. This thread is not about converting folks. It's just a bunch of guys talking about Jazz. I think that was the OP's intent.
This is the statement I am not sure I understand. *********"Consider, Rok, that if you have no knowledge you can only express a subjective opinion which can limit discussions and make them one dimensional.*********
All musical preferences are subjective. You cannot give me a 'logical / factual' reason whay I should like Ornette Coleman. Plenty of people do, but i don't.
And that opinion is as legit as any professor's at Julliard. So I don't understand why you say 'subjective' opinions limit the discussion? Make the discussion one dimensional? Far from it.
We all have opinions, so the discussion should be lively. One dimensional would be for all of us to be 'lectured to' by one person, or, all agree on every opinion expressed. Nothing kills a thread like boredom!
Lets not forget the purpose of the thread. Or the intent of the OP.
Again, thanks for your input.
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O-10:
**********"Rok, my favorite movie was "Apocalypse Now", it's good they don't allow weapons at the VA, cause them fightn words.**********
On my military movie BS scale, Apocalypse is at the top. Nice soundtrack.
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******** this is hip, the muse has taken jazz to poland, and I like it.********
You seem to be a lot more enthusiastic about that music than the folks who were there.
Cheers |
*****Rok, I'm not sure we're communicating when we talk about "Blues", because I never liked what we called "gut bucket" blues. As a matter of fact we're talking about a whole different culture of people, not just music. Many people who like "gut bucket" blues don't seem to be aware of that.*******
The Blues is that music tha seems to have started in the Mississippi Delta. It gave rise to, at the very least, Jazz, R&B and Rock & Roll.
BTW, The blues is what was missing from the polish thingy.
'Gut Bucket'???? never heard that term before. Several 'types' of blues were 'invented' by the music industry, so that more wannabes could win Grammys. Otherwise John Lee Hooker won win them all. :)
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******"Music appreciation of the 'high end' seems to stop at 'Kind of Blue', and then only if it's an 'audiophile' pressing." If I hear that mentioned one more time I'm going to have twins.********
Sorry. It falls under the 'Sad but True' category.
But don't take my word for it. There is entire thread going on now about just one tune: Kind of Blue.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
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Rok, what I mentioned in regard to blues and jazz, is more related to culture than to music. Check the Bio's of Elmore James, John Lee Hooker, Little Walter, and Sonny Boy Williamson, not their musical Bio, but childhood Bio. Those guys had some hard times, and they played in what was called "bucket of blood" clubs early in their careers. They were called that because of the bloody fights that often broke out in those places as a result of the (uneducated is putting it mildly) clientele. The jazz culture and the blues culture are as different as night and day in regard to the people, I'm talking 40's and 50's. All of it's very interesting, but not a subject for a music thread.
Enjoy the music.
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Rok, I was wrong about that music, it originated from Dallas Texas, not Poland; that makes it USA born, they just had a polish audience and were performing in Poland.
Enjoy the music.
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Rok2id, FWIW not only is my knowledge of Jazz poor, my use of English and my editing skills are even worse.
My use of the word 'you' was inappropriate. I should have used the word 'one'. My post was not so much about you at all, although I can see why you might have thought so. My apologies.
I would agree that it can be fun, and even helpful, to participate in 'conversations' about things one feels enthused and/or knowledgeable. But, when all is said and done, I think it is hard to draw value from posts unless one knows the subject and the persons who are participating. Nothing new there I think.
With music, as with most things 'audio' lots of folks form their opinions based on little more than personal exposure (usually to recordings at home) and/or 'internet gossip' and post them in declarative sentences as if they were based on fact and beyond dispute. Not so common in music threads I think as audio, but it exists non the less. For example, I love to listen to jazz at home. I've got a large collection, but it is all based on the music by artists I like to listen to. I could tell you that I liked Charlie Haden's performances greatly, but if you asked me why, perhaps as compared to the performances by Ray Brown, probably the best explanation I could come up with would be that I find Charlie's music more laid back, Browns more aggressive and forward, Haden's music more contemporary and Brown's more from an earlier era. So, when all is said and done if I were to participate in a thread about Brown and Haden to my way of thinking, if I were actually to do that, I really would have nothing of value to contribute, unless of course for what ever reason you specifically asked me. So I usually do not contribute in threads about jazz. Mine is just another opinion, how boring is that.
FWIW, my main interest is in classical music. While still fairly ignorant, I know just enough to enjoy participating in those threads in which I do have considerable exposure, and some knowledge, so long as the thread is not just about personal favorites and the best of whatever.
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Rok, now that we've traveled to Poland and many points in between, it's time to get back to the music. I've got to catch up on your reviews, and maybe you can take a look at "Moonlight In Vermont" by Johnny Smith. That is one boss CD. I wore the LP out ages ago, not one bad cut on it.
Enjoy the music.
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******Mine is just another opinion, how boring is that.****
Seems as if you are waiting for some GURU to come along and tell you what to like and why you should like it!!
When it comes to what music you like, what could be more important than your opinion based on personal experience. This is music, not gear. No all knowing oracle here.
Besides, people do not run out to buy whatever you recommend, but they might youtube it, to see how thay like it.
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******My use of the word 'you' was inappropriate. I should have used the word 'one'. My post was not so much about you at all, although I can see why you might have thought so. My apologies.******
No apology required. I thought you were talking to me because it was addressed to me.
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******FWIW, my main interest is in classical music. While still fairly ignorant, I know just enough to enjoy participating in those threads in which I do have considerable exposure, and some knowledge, so long as the thread is not just about personal favorites and the best of whatever.**********
Going from Jazz to classical is like going from the frying pan into the fire. If you are reluctant to speak your mind in a Jazz forum , you will really be inhibited in a classical setting.
Of course, you can take solace from the fact that most of the other posters probably don't know what they are talking about. So you needn't be bashful. In my 'opinion', few of us are qualified to critique folks like the top tier Orchestras and Conductors. They end up doing just what you seem to be trying to avoid. Just saying what they like. Stating their opinions!! Which is what I do.
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*****post them in declarative sentences *******
A simple, well written declarative sentence, is to an 'audiophile', what kryptonite is to Superman.
Cheers
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Hi Rok2id - would learning more be a double-edged sword? As Frogman said, it might, however what you appreciate and enjoy, your enjoyment of will only increase. Also, you would never have to listen with the kind of critical ear that a professional must. Sometimes it is indeed extremely difficult for us to turn this off. But that is because it is our profession, our very lives. And also, if we are listening to a recording that is our favorite of a particular piece, the joy we get from it is that much greater. One exception is that most musicians do not like to listen to recordings of themselves, at least solo recordings, as it is almost impossible not to be extremely self-critical. I sometimes experience this when I listen to the recordings of all of my orchestra's concerts, which I must do because I am on the broadcast committee that decides which parts of which concerts will make up the radio broadcast of it. I must separate my own performance and that of my section and consider the performance of the group as a whole. So I have become somewhat more used to this than perhaps many other musicians would be.
What I really meant in my post was learning more about the music itself, to increase your enjoyment of it, as opposed to using that knowledge to judge performers. You will enjoy all ten of your Beethoven 7 recordings even more, if you learn more about how the piece is constructed. This is a totally separate thing from any one conductor/orchestra interpretation of the work.
One further comment I would have is that although I understand what you mean when you say going from classical to jazz is like going from the frying pan into the fire, I would say that I think what Frogman and I both have been trying to say is that these genres are not as far apart as most think. It is certainly much closer to it than say rap or techno or things like that. Many forms of jazz are much closer to classical than say rock as well. Jazz is certainly the only other genre of music that comes anywhere near having the harmonic variety that classical does, and melodic variety too, for that matter. |
Frogman, and Learsfool, although I've enjoyed music since I could hear, I never learned so much about it as now. I also realize that as much as you both know about music, my friend was beyond belief. I feel like the kid in one of those old science fiction movies, "But I saw them, I tell you I saw them!". Whatever it is, when it's beyond belief, nobody believes it.
He looked hip, he walked hip, he talked hip, he dressed hip, and he did this everyday from the time he got up until the time he went to bed, and he didn't even know it.
He was "practicing" on those gigs he played when he was living with me.. Although I was a young man then, and I'm an old man now, I just discovered this. When I was trying to prove to a local musician that I mentioned in a previous post, how good he was, I bought every recorded note I could find, but nothing even came close to the music I heard.
Some people have a photographic memory, I have a phonographic memory. Every note I hear gets recorded. The way he mesmerized the crowds at those gigs was truly astounding, and I always felt like just another fan; his performances were like snowflakes, no two were alike. No two grown men can live together for 3 months with out having arguments, and living with him was like living with a tornado; that's the way creative genius's are. When I was seated at a table in the club, they were all forgotten and I was just another mesmerized fan. That word is the only one that describes a state of being totally spellbound, "I hear it, but I don't believe it".
We heard and saw him "practicing". He was trying this new music out on us, that's why it's not recorded anywhere. He died before recording this music, that's why I can't find it and don't have it.
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Messrs. Frogman & Learsfool:
I mentioned LvB's 7th due to the horn playing. I was trying to say, that I could 'blissfully' enjoy them all, while you might be grimacing and frowning on a few. Seeing as how you are a horn player.
This is a example of the 'ignorance is bliss' thingy.
BTW, the horn is One of my favorite orchestral instruments. Must be that childhood Lone Ranger thing.
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*******Rok, I was wrong about that music, it originated from Dallas Texas, not Poland********
Now I am depressed! Didn't sound like anything I have ever heard in Texas. Myabe that's the reason they were in Poland! :) I suggest they stay there.
My 'review' schedule, and train of thought, were totally disrupted by my attempts to 'review' LULU. Blame it on The Frogman. I will be back on track and LULU will be back on the rack, today Time to get back to Jazz. With a Classical question for The Learsfool from time to time, if that's ok.
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I would think that most of the audience was there because they are fans of the bass player, Wojtek Mazolewski's band. I can only hope they knew who Dennis Gonzalez is.
Mr Gonzalez is a music teacher in Dallas. He travels the world with his band, sons Aaron and Stephen, to play with like minded musicians. His recorded work is usually thought out and does not fall apart into noise ( not that there is anything wrong with that) ;) you can hear a lot of Miles in his trumpet playing.
No Rok, he will never be as popular as Kenny G.
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Isochronism, Any time I see Emily Remler or Philip Catherine's name on a record I buy it. |
David Benoit "Waiting For Spring"
featuring Emily Remler |
True story: I was in a funereal limousine In Miles Davis's home town, and someone tried to lighten the grim journey by starting a conversation about Miles music. The chatter was going back and forth, when the grieved widow chimed in "I remember Miles, he was that little dark skinned kid who was always trying to blow the trumpet." After that, there was total silence for the rest of the journey.
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Isochronism, good tip.
Not only is she a talented young, and beautiful, Jazz artist. I found a music teacher also. :)
Now this woman has her head in the right place. I will have to check out more of her stuff. I like the way she talks about Jazz. Finally a promising YOUNG player.
BEBOP lives!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j0qLksgXDE
Cheers |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGVXr4Ji49o
Had to send this. A german Drummer namer jo jo meyer!! it has to be worth a listen. This is so wonderful to see YOUNG folks paying their repects to the past.
She is good.
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We also have to give a shout out to Barbara Dennerfein on B-3 organ. Good stuff. check her 'boogie woogie' youtube thingy.
Not earth shattering, but it's so good to see young players play this type of stuff.
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Rok, sit down and read Emily's bio. |
Rok, Emily Remler and Barbara Dennerlein "Stormy Weather Blues" was boss, they're on my list. The best thing about new jazz is that it can be recorded so much better.
Enjoy the music.
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Acman3:
I didn't realize she had passed. That is sad. Seems like the really good ones die young.
Thanks for the info. From excitement to sadness in five minutes. |
Rok, Sorry about that. Emily Remler's music will live on.
How about a really good new album, by Winard Harper, called Coexist? Feeling any better? |
Orpheus10, I loved the Johnny Smith cut. What a beautiful player! Amazingly relaxed, but very deliberate and very soulful with a gorgeous sound. His feel is reminescent of Dexter Gordon's ballad playing; behind the beat but always secure and confident. Stan Getz is brilliant as usual; a great pairing. One of the nicest things that I have heard in a while. Thank you. |
One of the most unique sounds in jazz, Toot's Thielemans' playing is incredible on this recording. One of leader Bill Evans' least talked about records, but definitely one to have. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iOrFAxdiCnw |
