How an audio rack can enhance your amp/pre




Just thought I would share my recent experience with upgrading my sound star technologies rack to the new rhythm rack.

Every now and then, I have a visiting audiophile who really appreciates my system…and traditionally asks – “wow, what makes it sound so good?” My typical answer is it all makes a difference, even down the equipment rack, which can and certainly should be considered a component…but in many cases is overlooked…

Star Sound introduction

About 10 years ago, I was introduced to Star Sound Technologies Sistrum platforms and Audio Points. Audiopoints has always been known for its manufacture of well-designed and beautifully manufactured brass cones used under equipment and as an integral part of an audio stand. This ultimately led to the design of stands designed to transfer vibrations out of components and down to ground. What I didn’t know at the time was how good the Sistrum platforms ‘sounded’. So, I bit the bullet and tried several Sistrum Platforms - what intrigued me about the stands was the design of the Sistrum Platform which allowed a pre-determined pattern of energy, known as Coulomb Friction to develop and dissipate via a high-speed calculated conductive pathway to earth's ground. Which made sense…how do you deal with airborne energy dissipation? I know you could put cones to reduce vibrations from the ‘ground up’ so to speak, but how could you eliminate airborne vibration? We’ve all held our hand on our equipment when music is playing only to feel the equipment vibrate, so how do you deal with it? Draining it quickly to ground made sense, but at the end of the day, all I really wanted to know was…does it improve the sound?

To say I was shocked is an understatement - the Original Sistrum Platforms offered – smoother sound, better transients, dynamics and a lower noise floor. And, the cool part is that you could turn up the sound and the music would flow with greater ease…well worth the investment. Robert at Star Sound was extremely helpful in guiding me through which racks made the most sense for my system.

Rhythm Platforms

Which brings me to 2015…it had been a while since I last spoke with Robert curious as to what his engineering team was up to…which led me to check out the ‘new’ model of Sistrum Stands – the Sistrum Rhythm Platforms.

These new platforms / shelves were substantially heavier, with a nicer overall finish than the original stands, with more grooves allowing for substantially more options to place points in various places under your equipment to refine the sound even further. In addition, the shelves were engineered to deal with resonances in a more efficient manner…The brass cones at the bottom of the rack were substantially bigger in size - 3 inches and quite heavy. The brass cones under the equipment were attached with nicely crafted screws that could be hand tightened and no longer required a screw driver… a nice feature making it both easier to put together but also the amount of tightening could influence the sound. The brass and platform rods are modular, making it easier to put together and painted in a beautiful black finish – in combination with the brass I would say the improvement in the WAF factor is significant – the stands are really impressive to look at. As for structure, these things were a solid as could be – and heavy! Not going anywhere, even in an earthquake!

My system includes VAC equipment, preamp, amps, DAC and a transport. As well as power supplies. Most of which now rested on the new Rhythm Platform.

Listening Impressions:

My first impressions were clearly a lower noise floor with enhanced dynamics, while also being able to hear deeper into the soundstage, which now extended well outside of the speakers. Tempo was faster, due to better-defined, leading edges. The high end was ‘cleaner’, with more sheen and decay on symbols and hi hats. Brass had that right bite to it, without over doing it…Bass lines were tighter which led to better ‘rhythm’ … and best of all, I could crank up the volume and the dynamic range seemed to extend effortlessly, which was a nice surprise.

One thing I noticed, that was true of my initial experience with Sistrum Platforms, is that the newer Rhythm Platforms sounded progressively better after 3 days of ‘settling’ and reached full potential after about 1 week. So some form of break in is required.
Over the years, I’ve tried different racks and various cones under equipment, whether if be soft, hard, ceramic, rubber (or some variation of ‘absorbing material’ etc.) you name it. All of which ‘altered’ the sound, but nothing came close to the Sistrum Stands holistically; while the new Rhythm stands, just take it all to a higher level…
While I cannot expound eloquently on science of Coulomb’s Friction, I can tell you that whatever they are doing at Star Sound visa vie their racks, it works…and it’s not subtle. This is a very audible improvement in your listening experience. If you want your system to perform at its highest level, I would suggest that you maximize your investment in your equipment by letting it do what it does best and put it on a Sistrum rack that will allow it to perform at its best. And if you want the best, I would strongly recommend the Rhythm Platforms.
wisper
08-18-15: Wolf_garcia
…and my 5 decades as an audio geek has made me utterly over-qualified to opine about spiky things (sorry Robert, I don't borrow anything requiring me to disassemble my audio pile).

Not. LOL. Robert called it.

So, Squeezebox, Jolida JD502P, and Vienna Bach's and/or Wharedales and apparently Vibrapods, what are you working with?

Vibrapods to Preludes
After spiking speakers seemingly since first supporting stereo stuff self seriously, I've succumbed to a set of Vibrapods under Silverlines. It defies logic and makes me realize that maybe everything I know is wrong but damn, it works swimmingly. Sweeter mids, wider and more stable soundstage, etc. Go figure...who knew? Where am I?
Wolf_garcia (Threads | Answers | This Thread)
What about the Hornsby basketball session? To quote Art Dudley, "Remove all spiked feet from your playback system and sell them for scrap." And that quote is from somebody who likely didn't shoot hoops with Hornsby, so is he qualified to opine? Also Agear, don't forget my very expensive cable…it's all silver supposedly…just that alone should allow me to poke fun at strangely insecure (and utterly humorless) Fundamentalist Spike Theorists.
Wolf_garcia. if Dudley said that my limited respect for him is much lower. The revelation for me was in trying Star Sound Audio Points under the Tripoint Troy Signature. There is something magic about the Audio Points.

The proof is always in the pudding. I just wish Star Sound made 3 inch Audio Point based on those under the Rhythms with 1/4 20 threads. I strongly suspect they would be better.
I don't know what particular "spikes" Art was referencing. Over the years I've use a variety of spikes and cones. The brass Audio Points were in a different class of sound quality, just plain better. I believe that the quality of material, manufacturing and engineering is what distinguishes one product from another. They can't all be grouped together as if they are all the same.
Charles,
Wolf, you appear too insecure to have an adult conversation with Robert and follow through on that demo offer. I am confused...

Art Dudley needs to do some more careful listening....;)
Wipser, after all the vitriol that your innocent little review generated, do you have any follow up impressions or thoughts?
I usually find common ground with Art Dudley on a number of things, and I was really taken aback by his suggestion of removing spikes, especially since he didn't (in my opinion) give any clear supporting reasons for doing so.
Well, I had my Lampizator dac on the floor for the past few weeks due to the room being a construction zone. I just popped it back on a SP101 stand a few days ago and was reminded how much impact these things have....
Great thread to read. I've been using Herbies products under my components which sit on an Adona rack while my monoblocks sit on a maple slab on the floor.

Anybody here try an Apprentice under their components on a non Star Sound rack? I've got some Apprentice platforms coming but it'll be a
little while before I find out. I'm going try them under everything but was just curious if others have experience with Star Sound products in use with other racks/platforms. I read one guy on another forum say they don't play well with other products but he didn't expound on it.
T_ramey, it may not help you much, but I used an SS Apprentice on a Accapella platform on a Stillpoints ESS rack with SP Grids under my Koda K-10. I fully realize that this represents a conflict between the philosophies of SPs and SST. Later when I got the SST Rhythm rack, the sound greatly improved.

The Rhythm is both more expensive and far superior to the Apprentice.
T_ramey, I would talk to Robert. Typically, SS products are designed to be used solo....
Thanks guys for the replies.

When I get them in this week I give it a go and if I like what I hear I'll give Robert a call and see what other possibilities there are. My monoblocks will be on the floor with just the Apprentices underneath but I'll try my preamp that sits on the Adona rack as well and see. Here's what the star sound website says about the apprentices...

"These platforms are designed for use with Amplifiers, Loudspeakers, Sub-Woofers, Components, and Turntables, Electronic components resting atop any type of Racking or Wood Shelving and Out-board crossover networks, Televisions – in fact any type of equipment used in the music, video and recording science and entertainment industries."
T_ramey, I have used SS apprentice platforms raised up on ironwood blocks for a few reasons. 1, my floor is a tiny bit too soft due to a thin layer of cork under the wood. 2, I believe it raises parts out of the bass wave zone at the floor. 3. helps eliminate static electricity from the floor.
As I understand the principals of Star Sound Stuff, they pass vibrational energy to earth ground, mechanical ground. the opposite of damping and defusing mechanical vibration. End result... much more inner detail that defines the soundstage, tonal energy, and realism.
So... putting something between the platform and mechanical earth ground may be detrimental to the platforms function and thusly, the sound quality.
Please let us know what you discover at your place?
cheers Dave
Received the Apprentice platforms and immediately put them under my pre/dac/source on my Adona rack and heard an instant improvement over the Herbie's. After a phone call in to Robert at Star Sound (great guy btw) I decided to take out the Adona rack and place them on the floor and got an even better improvement. Everything everybody has been saying is true...more natural relaxed sound but with better detail and insight into the music. Love these platforms!

Saving my pennies for a couple of Rhythm's for my speakers!
T_ramey, congrats on the apprentice! and thank you for your descriptions.
And Yes, Robert from Star Sound is a good guy to talk with.
I love the apprentice too, was surprised but the level of improvement and bought 5.
I also have 4 Rhythm platforms, which took a considerable time to afford.
The Rhythms are at least 3 times better, and 3 times more expensive.
I don't plan on stacking higher than 2 shelf rack but would like to have
3, two shelf Rhythm racks and 2 Rhythm Speaker stands ($12,000).

Does it bother anyone else the the word Rhythm has no vowels"'?"''
well half a vowel. ;-)
Cheers D
Dave give me two words with double u's as vowels. Skiing bothers me but I love to do it.
Ok guys, I received a pair of Rhythm RP1 platforms last week to put under my speakers and just as Robert said the stage got much bigger and much more defined. I was using a couple of Apprentice 103's before the Rhythms showed up and they were great but now everything is bigger more alive.

One thing that was also very noticeable was the bass. Bigger, deeper, and more articulate and makes me understand why guys have said that these platforms have great effect under subwoofers.

I know none of this is new to you guys who have lived with these Star Sound platforms but if you're reading this and wondering if they're worth it or not all I can say is YES! It's an excellent product that lives up to its claim.
T ramey,
Star Sound is a no nonsense high quality company. I'm glad the Rhythm platforms worked out so well in your system.
Mapman, I have a Concord recording of the LA 4 outdoors. Of course, it has no ambience, but the dynamics are captured, presumably because a good recording engineer. With my much improved system, it actually sound like I am there at the recording.

I also have another outdoor recording in Brazil that is very confused sounding. I do know in this case that it was not done on a stage as was the above recording. I was involved in seeking to record an outdoor jazz band. I think it takes much time at that endeavor to become good at it.
T_Ramey, I am glad you are enjoying the new platforms. SS stuff works. It has from the beginning. Audiophiles and competitors love to piss on SS, but at the end of the day, it works. Imagine if your entire room and/or walls was grounded in such a manner....:)
Agear,

Unfortunately I can only imagine...but I did try to get an AudioCircle member to visit you and check out your room and report back to me but I'm not sure if he was interested. Goes by jtwrace and lives in the Charlotte area.

I have family in Knoxville, TN and would love to visit when I'm over there, I just don't know when that will be. I'm in AZ. As far as you know are you the only one that has had SS come out and create a Energy Room?
T_Ramey, I know Jason. He lives a little north of me in Huntersville, NC. I am the forerunner, but I know they have a few more planned. Paradoxically, we are moving in the spring, so I will have to recycle the whole experiment. That's okay though. It was fun. Clement Perry from Stereotimes will be rolling through in early December to do a formal review, so I have to get my act together....:)
I wish the reviewer was someone other than Clement Perry. I'd love to read a review of a starsound designed listening room but I have no faith in Mr. Perry's judgment or honesty. I have read too many reviews by him that are largely composed of self-praise and techno babble from the manufacturer's website.
In addition to that, he often seems to be uncomfortably chummy with many of them. His writing style is long on hyperbole unsupported by facts, or even useful comparisons to other products. When he does mention a possible sonic shortcoming in a product, he usually backtracks on his comments and says it was his system, or maybe just his imagination, or in any case no big deal. I would say he's the opposite of a Martin Collums or Anthony Cordesman.
Roxy, I don't share your concerns. Clement has been a fan of Dale Pitcher's stuff, and has never owned or reviewed it. He is also a fan of SS and Lampizator having owned neither. Besides, the room is a freight train, and is hard to miss irregardless of associated equipment. It sounds good with vintage Bestbuy grade stuff and Craigslist speakers.

Have is TVAD doing these days???
I use Taoc ASR II racks which are good value and well made modular racks using composite shelves, die cast aluminum frame & cast iron spacers. Are their better racks? Sure, though I just use my rack as an inert platform for my Stillpoints feet. I have a significant investment in Stillpoints & agree, proper isolation matters. The improvements I've heard are remarkable.
Andrew,
Have you discussed with Robert the differences between the Rhythm and Backstage as platforms for your speakers?
I haven't spoken to Robert in some time but I know he's quite proud of the Backstage as a supreme product. Perhaps the Rhythm comes close for less money. I suspect both are terrific platforms.
Charles,
Great question Charles1dad, as far as aesthetics go I prefer the look of the Backstage and think it would be a better fit for my speakers vs the Rhythms.
That's my concern...he's a fan of too many things. As far as Tvad is concerned, I have no idea, but I hope that he's well.
Hi John (Roxy54),
I've found Robert to be very candid about his product's hierarchy. I was very pleased with using their basic brass Audio Points. He said the Apprentice is a clear step upwards and he was right. I believe it simply becomes a matter of individual cost ceiling/budget restraint. Given Robert's track record, I suspect the Rhythm and Backstage are that good. I'm very happy with the Apprentice, so I don't lust after the higher tier platforms at this time. I don't doubt their quality.
Charles,
10-22-15: Charles1dad
Andrew,
Have you discussed with Robert the differences between the Rhythm and Backstage as platforms for your speakers?
I haven't spoken to Robert in some time but I know he's quite proud of the Backstage as a supreme product. Perhaps the Rhythm comes close for less money. I suspect both are terrific platforms.

Charles, I have not. I am sure there is a substantial improvement. I was really hoping to snag a prototype of the stage (all brass) but to no avail....
10-22-15: Roxy54
That's my concern...he's a fan of too many things. As far as Tvad is concerned, I have no idea, but I hope that he's well.

If you have any experience with SS, then use your intuition and extrapolate to what a treated room would do. The reviewer is immaterial TBH....

Update your system page! I am a fan of TVAD, but I would prefer seeing your system....
John,
Sorry about my response to you. I thought your comment" he's a fan of too many things" was in reference to Robert of Star Sound rather than C. Perry. My apology.
Anybody here own the Backstage platforms? If so, where under do you have them placed?
Charles,
No problem at all. I was speaking about Clement. I have nothing but affection and respect for Robert.
John, Audiogon has a new system building platform. Take a look at it, and we can help disarticulate you from TVAD....unless of course TVAD is an alter ego....