Jaxwired, You are correct; self-delusion is a powerful thing, but in this case, Wisper is not deluding himself. I use their products, and only wish that I could afford more of them. Everything that he says about them is true in my experience. Have you had any experience with any Star Sound products? |
Mitch2, I agree that elaborate and scientific explanations that are difficult for the common man to fully understand are certainly part of marketing hype with many products , including this one. The thing is, we don't live in a laboratory, and what matters is performance and what we hear using these devices, and for whatever the specific reasons, they are effective. |
Jaxwired and Bojack, Have either of you tried any Star Sound products? |
Tbg, Agreed. And you'll notice that the two members who made the negative comments have refused to answer my question asking if they had experience with these products. |
Agear, What was the result of that comparison? |
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Thanks Charles, Another sane voice heard from; and one who has actually used them before pronouncing them "a bunch of garbage". |
Audiotweak,(Robert) I don't care what anyone says, you and the other people responsible for the design of Star Sound products are the real deal. Thanks, John |
Really surprised to hear that you use sorbothane pucks Wolf. Many years ago, I did as well. I also used special wood blocks. Then came the tip toes, and Goldmund cones. Anyway, since then, I have moved on to Sistrum supports and Audio Points, and I still use the Goldmund cones beneath my DAC. Just for fun 3 weeks ago, I took them out and replaced them with the Cardas wood blocks. What a difference for the worse!Just as Tbg described. The musuc sounded dull and flat. Reconsider and see if you don't hear a very positive difference. I would say from my experience that Sorbothane is the worst of all. |
1extreme, As I noted before, the member who made the comment about garbage, Jaxwired, and the member who agreed, Bojack, disappeared rom this thread after their initial attack, apparently unsupported by fact or experience. |
Correction, it was Bojack who called the OP's comments garbage. Jaxwired said that self delusion is a powerful thing. I think envy is as well. |
No one is attacking him, we're just relaying our own experiences. |
Wolf, Damping and draining are 2 different things, and Sorbothane isn't draining to ground as Starsound and some other products do. You may like it, and that is the only thing that matters, but the two technologies work in different ways, and they do not sound the same. |
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Wolf, I have followed this thread from its inception, and after reading your most recent post, I went back to the OP's review, and re-read it in its entirety. His writing was far from florid. It is concise, well balanced (if enthusiastic) and simply presented not as a hard sell, but as that of a former Starsound customer who was already satisfied with their products, and was pleasantly surprised at his perceived level of improvement brought about by the new platforms. There was no indication whatsoever in Wisper's comments that he was a shill for Starsound, and hearing you echo that accusation casually, which happens far to often on the forums here has a desperate ring to it. You call it "an insulting and inappropriate use of this space." That's just plain exaggeration. I'm not sure what axe you have to grind, but it's getting pretty sharp. Maybe you'd be happy if we all agree that Sorbothanne is great. Perhaps we should all have our components on mini trampolines...even better, right? |
Thanks Tbg. I just didn't like seeing Wisper get skewered for what was actually a very useful review. |
Tbg, I couldn't have stated it better. If I'm understanding correctly, Starsound is giving him platforms to review. If so, that makes me sick. How could he possibly be impartial when reviewing platforms when he has already decided that they have no merit and are no better than sorbothane. His ego-driven rants are really boring too. I hope that he discovers how good Starsound products are just so he'll have to eat...crow. |
Geoff, You're a good guy, and I enjoy your posts, but until you or Shannon Dickson come out with products that are as effective as Starsound, I will have to give the nod to Robert on this one. |
Geoff, Are you addressing me? I am aware of most of those products you mentioned as well as others, but how does that connect with my comment? Maybe you were addressing Robert. |
Good post to Wolf Agear, and as expected...crickets. But not for long I'm sure. |
I usually find common ground with Art Dudley on a number of things, and I was really taken aback by his suggestion of removing spikes, especially since he didn't (in my opinion) give any clear supporting reasons for doing so. |
That's my concern...he's a fan of too many things. As far as Tvad is concerned, I have no idea, but I hope that he's well. |
I wish the reviewer was someone other than Clement Perry. I'd love to read a review of a starsound designed listening room but I have no faith in Mr. Perry's judgment or honesty. I have read too many reviews by him that are largely composed of self-praise and techno babble from the manufacturer's website. In addition to that, he often seems to be uncomfortably chummy with many of them. His writing style is long on hyperbole unsupported by facts, or even useful comparisons to other products. When he does mention a possible sonic shortcoming in a product, he usually backtracks on his comments and says it was his system, or maybe just his imagination, or in any case no big deal. I would say he's the opposite of a Martin Collums or Anthony Cordesman. |
Charles, No problem at all. I was speaking about Clement. I have nothing but affection and respect for Robert. |