Forward Sounding Speaker Crossover Components - Suggestions?


I've been hooked on the immersed/surround sound from a set of stereo speakers since my first Carver Sonic Holography preamp back in the day, so I've been on a quest to replicate, but with a highly-refined set of components. Some people want to replicate "soundstage" as a concert, with the sound between their seated position and the speakers. I prefer to be sitting in the middle of the "stage", surrounded by the music.

To this end, I believe I've made most of the significant changes on all hardware, with exception of finding the right speaker crossover components. Please share your experience with the most forward sounding crossover components, including capacitors and inductors, so you can save me from this endless loop of buying, burning in, realizing it doesn't quite hit the mark, then repeat. Thanks in advance!

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@vair68robert thanks for sharing continued experience with Clarity Caps. This empirical information is precisely what I’m seeking.

@sns thank you for sharing your further-down the rabbit hole experience! My upstream components generally have reputation for the same goal -- HQPlayer upsampling (some of the modulators & filters are amazing), Holo May DAC, AGD Audion monoblocks (arguably the closest class D gets to a SET sound) with Totem Hawks. My components also speak to a somewhat limited budget, but good to know you’ve honed in on your target with "SET amps, DHT pre’s and physically large horns". SET amps & high-sensitivity horns is where I imagine I’ll end some day, but don’t have the budget yet (larger room, set amps, larger speaker footprint, etc...), so for now it’s solid state & low sensitivity, small foot print Totems. I’ve been using HQPlayer’s built-in digital volume control, and a pre may be my next purchase. Which of the DHT’s do you suggest?

Fantastic advice on caps -- all have been on my radar, but hesitant to jump, especially at some of the price points. Totally agree on the Jantzen Litz Wax coils, though I’m currently running 12ga Mundorf Cu foils.

Capacitors, inductors, resistors have ZERO to do with imaging and soundstage. Instead I suggest you buy a pair of speakers that will give you 3-D dimensionality from anywhere in the room - Ohm Walsh's. I have a pair and they are indeed the best at bringing the performers into the room!

Since Clarity Caps have been mentioned I add my experience with then .  I Recapped and resistored my crossovers in phases , first I tackled the woofer using CC CMR cap on the positive and an CC MR cap on the negative ( because of size ) , these were the top of the line at the time .  When the Pure series of caps came out (I waited over a year for them ) I used them for the tweeter and mid range and I will definitely recommend them , they have the same features as the CMR and have been improved also they are slightly smaller . 

As for resistors ( they too make a difference in sound ) I used Mills throughout . 

I like performers in room presentation, modded a number of speakers and crossovers over more than a decade. First off, electronics, pre's, amps, sources are greatly responsible for sound staging, so that good place to start. As for crossover mods, my intention with these mostly for gains in resolution, transparency, more natural timbre, wasn't looking for sound staging presentation to change per se. Having said that these mods did affect sound staging to some degree. Generally, I've heard more dimensional images, larger sound stage such the illusion of performers in room much greater. So, speaking in generalities, SET amps, DHT pre's and physically large horns do it for me.

 

As for specifics with crossover mods, I've used Duelund, Jupiter, Audyn caps, all very nice, specific models in these brands will give you exact voicing. For what its worth, at present using combo of Jupiter VT with Audyn True Copper Max, Jupiter VT bypassed with Duelund Silver bypass cap. Jupiter VT is a more  laid back cap, Audyn more up front. Also love the Jantzen air core inductors, solid core on mids/bass, wax impregnated litz on tweeters, both top notch, may amaze you depending on current inductors. Internal wire important as well, I like Duelund tin plated copper. By the way, these on Klipschorns, custom drivers, Volti tractrix horns, custom tweeter baffles. I also modded Merlin VSM, Omega, and others in the past, always to good effect.

@steakster you're the 2nd person to suggest him to me. Coincidentally I reached out to him with the question while simultaneously working on an order for Jupiter caps. His response: "Very difficult to speak definitively about any particular capacitor's sonic presentation. So much depends on the particular loudspeakers, and the electronics driving them." 

@toddalin good to know about the Clarity Caps, thanks for staying on track. Curious to know which ones you've had experience with. They have several offerings.

Humble Homemade Hifi suggests their CSA line not only blends well with the Jantzen Alumen Z-Caps, but assists in a forward projection, which is a combo I'm considering. 

Regarding half the instruments pointing away: tomato tomahto, potato potahto!

I find the ClarityCaps to be "laid back" so those would not be your first choice.

BTW, if one were to actually put themself in the middle of the stage, half of the instruments would be pointing away from you.

@deep_333  I'm not interested in chip magic, been there, done that with Carver, many moons ago. I'm interested in what I can achieve with specific crossover capacitors & inductors in the speaker crossover circuit.

Get a Yamaha prepro, it will do anything and everything you could imagine, in the digital dsp domain, of course. A Yamaha CX-A5200 is worth its weight in gold, if you can get your hands on one.

Other options are Sony's 360 reality,  stuff from Marantz, etc.

I've been hooked on the immersed/surround sound from a set of stereo speakers since my first Carver Sonic Holography preamp back in the day, so I've been on a quest to replicate, but with a highly-refined set of components. Some people want to replicate "soundstage" as a concert, with the sound between their seated position and the speakers. I prefer to be sitting in the middle of the "stage", surrounded by the music.