Evolution Acoustics MMMicroOne

Any speaker will match those, specially with the Neo.

The Manley Reference 250 and Neo-Classic 250 match excellently with these speakers.

has anyone here had any experiences with integrating the MMMOs with a subwoofer? I'm starting to feel the need for the last octave with a certain authority, but don't want to give up what I've got with the MMMOs in the rest.
any suggestions and experiences are welcomed.

Hifi Will,
Here's hoping that you will soon kick "Big C's" ass and be able to complete your order for those MMMicros.

For what it is worth, early on I had three MMMOnes on reserve and kept in touch with Jonathan Tinn, via email and phone, as the production process evolved for updates. How many of you have actually been able to get a prompt tech response let alone contact with the owner of a company to resolve issues with a purchase?

Jonathan was at all times accessible and completely honest about the delays they were experiencing due to a quality control issue they identified; this completely stopped the production process and required finding another manufacturer for one of the speaker components. It was very clear that quality and reputation were utmost to Jonathan and I was impressed with not only his enthusiasm for his speaker but the professionalism and commitment he had to making sure what was advertised was delivered. I see that in his comments here, and in other comments made by those who have actually purchased Jonathan's speakers, that nothing has changed; that commitment remains.

Unfortunately for me, the Big C intervened and the cash set aside for the MMMOnes, was diverted to cover medical costs. I'm hopeful that, one of these days soon, I will be calling Jonathan to fill that order he has on hold for me.

By the way, the disclaimer, I'm a consumer and not affiliated in anyway with Jonathan or any other speaker manufacturer

Shsohis: Point taken. There is no arguing in matters of taste. I also have heard most of the speakers you noted and disagree that they outclass the MicroOnes. There is also no doubt that you are speaking of designs far higher in price.

I've heard the MicroOne at RMAF last year. It was nice and all that but really that's it. Inside the room, I was like "duh?" in the midst of all the praises bestowed on the speaker. After that I found other rooms actually sounded better. These included the Vivid K1, YG Anat, PMC, Sonus Faber Venere, Joseph Audio Pulsar. Definitely not on equal standing with the Mini II, V2 and V3 and of course the Q3.

Finally I have received MMMicroOne.

After sending e-mails over and over with patience, eventually
they replied and said they had sent the speakers.

Delibery was done by DHL worldwide, as I requested in recent e-mails.

Does anyone know Shanghai Li Min Audio (EA asia dealer) is a reliable or not?

I sent them several e-mails but haven't got any replies over a month.

One of my major fault was sent payment too early, as he required payment without detailed shipping information.

I didn't have cautiousness as Mr Jonathan Tinn recommend him as
a official dealer.

Best Regards,

I haven't hear the MMMicro's yet. I wish the company would set up a national dealer network so most folks could go to a local store and hear them. I am very reluctant to buy a pair without extensive listening (not at a show) and with a variety of electronics driving them. I also would like to see product reviews in the established magazines. I'd be curious to hear others' opinions on this.

Those who have not been "wowed" by the LS50's haven't heard them properly set up - they are a bit tricky!

But... properly set up they produce a life-like sound that is startingly real... with very low bass... though... I have them set up with the R400b sub, which they don't really need.

Just real "giant killers" - which you have to spend 10-20x their price to beat.

Hi

I have had the MMMicrone for about 2months. I had to replace a tweeter. Jonathan was very professional about the whole thing and even got Kevin to help me replace the tweeter. I am very impressed with the sound. the speaker have about 75 hrs on them..Very natural sounding . Certainly the best I have had ( <$4k speakers)
However, I agree with many well-wishers of EA. Dont get into mud-slinging, Jonathan... Over a period of time, your products will speak for themselves. My 2 cents

I heard the prototype MMMicro Ones long ago and was very impressed. Since then I have heard the production versions on three occasions. At the RMAF last year when driven by a BMC integrated amp, they were shockingly good and at THE Show in Vagas, I was much less impressed.

I have heard no owner of the production version who thinks the production speakers failed to equal the prototypes. That is my question.

Bryoncunningham,
I think you are correct. A lot of this is a matter of maintaining a professional tone. Once it starts sounding like you're taking it personally, it goes downhill pretty quickly.

03-09-13: Rebbi
...I can't say I blame the manufacturer for getting involved. If someone's trashing your business and questioning your ethics, do you just let it go?

Hi Rebbi - Since I was advising Jonathan to avoid participating in arguments like the ones on this thread, I will take a shot at answering your rhetoric question. IMO, a manufacturer can stick up for himself without getting dragged down into the muck. Rather than saying "you are flat out being lied to," he could say something like, "I can assure you that you have been given false information." Rather than "I am really surprised that you would actually be so closed minded," he could say "I invite you to listen to my products and decide for yourself." You get the point.

Having said that, I acknowledge that, when someone takes a swing at you, it is very hard not to swing back. But it is easy for people to lose sight of who swung first, and to see only the brawl that resulted. And that is bad for business, IMO.

I wish Jonathan and EA the best of luck.

Bryon

Some manufacturers post on public forums and some don't. I don't think it's an indicator of a manufacturer's seriousness or integrity (or lack thereof). Bobby Palkovic of Merlin will often participate in conversations involving his speakers. If he feels that someone is being unfair to his line or has an agenda (or is blowing smoke without firsthand knowledge) he'll politely take them to task. I've also seen threads where the manufacturer got involved and the conversation pretty quickly degenerated into name calling and innuendo, like a couple of the Vapor Audio threads here not long ago. Hell hath no fury like some unhappy customers, and even in the Vapor threads, I can't say I blame the manufacturer for getting involved. If someone's trashing your business and questioning your ethics, do you just let it go?

I rarely write on these or any forums but enjoy following and appreciate what I'm able to pick up. Clearly, many reviewers and owners have been impressed by Mr. Tinn's speakers--congratulations to him. The comments by some here remind me of what I saw coaching my daughter's middle school lacrosse team. We had a couple of opportunities to have a very good new player join us and some girls felt threatened as the existing team balance (speaker market) was upset. Once we figured out how to quit it and focus on our real task at hand (playing lacrosse/discussing, analyzing speakers) things got much better. I had a chance to speak w/ Mr Tinn in a phone conversation and was impressed. Good luck to him and I might pick up a pair. Thanks.

I rarely write on these or any forums but enjoy following and appreciate what I'm able to pick up. Clearly, many reviewers and owners have been impressed by Mr. Tinn's speakers--congratulations to him. The comments by some here remind me of what I saw coaching my daughter's middle school lacrosse team. We had a couple of opportunities to have a very good new player join us and some girls felt threatened as the existing team balance (speaker market) was upset. Once we figured out how to quit it and focus on our real task at hand (playing lacrosse/discussing, analyzing speakers) things got much better. I had a chance to speak w/ Mr Tinn in a phone conversation and was impressed. Good luck to him and I might pick up a pair. Thanks.

My dealings with Mr. Tinn have been enjoyable and without drama. I do not own EA speakers but I may someday, who knows. Whomever thinks these speakers are being overhyped can thank the audio press and should leave Mr. Tinn alone. Keep in mind, this is the speaker everyone else has been touting at the audio shows as best of show these past several years, not Mr. Tinn.

Again folks, go back and read the show reports and then cut this gentleman a break. I get so tired of the anonymous asshats taking potshots at some hardworking dealers doing what they can to advance our shrinking hobby. I would love to know the dealers/manufacturers who are distastfully advancing their cause through these smear campaigns.

Listen to the speakers and if you dont like them, well then cool. But, these speakers have received universal praise from the audio press, not Mr. Tinn. Peace.

I have to say that after the full burn-in of the speakers and my whole system (since I bought everything new) the slightly "shouty" sound that came from the speakers are gone and I have a huge bandwith, great macro dynamics and FANTASTIC micro dynamics. Timbres and texture could be better, but very probably has to do with my cables, since I did experiment with a few others and I noticed some obvious improvements in that department. ATM I'm experimenting with USB cables and will later move on to ICs and speaker cables.
These speakers (the MMMicroOnes) are THE bargain in audio atm. They easily bettered my former speakers (KEF 201/2) in every aspect. I am not affiliated in any way with EA or anyone, for that matter.
Just my 2 cents.

Well said.

We all have opinions. Most of us have biases and some of us have agendas. These forums are used mostly for the sharing of opinions, often for promotion and occasionally for disinformation. I always learn something and appreciate the participation of everyone who has something to add to the discussion. If the manufacturer wants to participate in a thread about one of his own speakers, I think we are all better off for it.

"I would urge you to reconsider participating in arguments like these.”

Bryon and Tom, I suspect that we’re all on exactly the same page here, but I think it’s worth expanding on your points. IMO, it can be beneficial to everyone when a manufacturer participates in, even volatile, threads. But my advise to them is: Don’t argue, and don’t sweat the small stuff. Choose your battles wisely. Don’t respond to negative opinions. The purpose of your response should be to get the facts straight. Make your case respectfully and then "arrivederci baby". Don’t get sucked into "did not, did too; did not, did too..." The quality of your participation is the key. Also, give us some credit. We can read between the lines, and over the course of a thread, malicious motives will tend to reveal themselves.

But, by the same token, if it seems like you’re taking hits from all directions, you might want to reexamine some of your practices.

I also agree that it's a loosing cause for the owner to participate in these opinionated discussions. The bias & agendas of some are just not worth the bother.

Let the product speak for itself, which the EA's do extremely well.
As I'm sure the majico's do. I have only heard the Q1's in there line up. I have to disagree with sereotapei.. IMHO, the mm3's just destroy the Q1's in every way. Don't get me wrong the Q1's are a nice speaker & well built I found them on the dry side of the scale.
Sorry you had a bad experience with EA but mine have been flawless.

What I have a problem with is Ack's comments.
Now Ack, I'm sure your a nice guy & I mean no harm here
but to say:

(Consider this version of events I heard... "Customer" is actually recruited as an investor, likes what he hears, invests, sells the Q7s because he has to, these stories are used to promote EA products over Magico.)

This is just a crazy statement & I doubt very seriously this would happened.

Also, your sources? Are these guys on the internet that made these statements? Do you personally know them or are we just assuming they are creditable?

As I stated up top there is just to much personal bs & agendas of some of these guys to believe everything they post. Lets deal in actual facts & just let our government spew the bs!

Let OUR ears be the judge & form your own opinions on what to buy. Not someones agenda!

+100% to Bryon's' comments.

I was about to post the exact same thing. Nothing good has ever come from the Owner/Principal getting involved in these pissing matches.

In the end you lose your credibility.

Jonathan -- I would urge you to reconsider participating in arguments like these. I certainly understand the impulse to defend your company and your reputation. But I fear that, however much damage you are attempting to prevent, you are causing at least as much or more to EA.

Having heard them twice, I think the Micros are a remarkable achievement. But arguing on forums, even if you are 100% in the right, risks making a bad impression on potential customers.

Bryon

Ack: I assure you I would not turn down money from anyone for these speakers. It is A LOT of money. You are indeed being lied to.

If these "potential" buyers are serious, have them call you and conference me in. We can finalize this for once and for all and you can be the witness.

Do you really think I would turn down $125,000.00 or anything close to that?

Mariv26: Have you listened to the MMMicroOnes fully broken in, in your main system, or just in the office? Call me anytime and we can discuss how to get the best out of them.

@jtinn: my sources are two potential Q7 buyers (nothing to do with WD), who have also claimed afterwards your used Q7s are not really for sale. Are they for sale? Maybe I am being lied to again, who knows.

As Mariv26 said: "I find it funny that you are trying to "sale" a Q7, with the verbiage you advertise them."

I have nothing to do with either loudspeaker manufacturer, I just like to read straight stories.

Mmmmmmm....... sorid under-belly tell us more!

I am not taking sides here, just my experience at an audio show for what it is worth. I attended the 2012 Newport Beach Audio Show specifically to listen to speakers and heard dozens of them, mostly costly designs that cost in excess of $18K/pair. IMO, the overwhelming majority of them sounded cold, sterile, clinical, bright, boomy in the bass, and with a flat soundstage. Maybe it was the rooms, I don't know. But there were five or six speakers that sounded like live music--I have 4 sons who all play music, as does my wife. Only two of these natural-sounding speakers were inexpensive and one was the Evolution Acoustics MMMicroOne. So I bought a pair and they are the best speakers I have had in my system, including some that cost $40K. And I can say that Jonathan Tinn has always been an honest gentleman, at least in my own experience.

The Tinnman lays down the gauntlet. Good stuff. Ackman, who is your source? If they are affiliated with Magico, it holds no water....

Mr Tinn, I actually own a MicroOne, and also the Q3. I like the Micro, and for the money, in my office, they are hard to beat, but not without issues (fatiguing tweeter...). They are not in the same league as the Magico Q or S series, and for the money, I am not expecting them to be. I did hear the big EA and I don't think that they are nearly as interesting as the Micro. IF anyone was silly enough to sold his Q7 thinking that the big EA will be "Micro good times 10", he's got some heavy duty disappointment coming his way.
I find it funny that you are trying to "sale" a Q7, with the verbiage you advertise them. After all, who in his right mind will want to buy them after what you are saying in your ad or posts?? I am also wondering who are you threatening with comments like "If this nonsense continues, ..."? This is truly a new low point here on the forum.I must say your guerrilla marketing techniques and aggressive conducts are off putting.

My personal experience with Evolution acoustic sales tactic is also interesting.
I owned a pair of EA MM3 for 4 years (listened it at mike Lavigne house). At the beginning, I was very happy except for some quality issues: a HUGE speaker to show off with my audiophile friends (we all know audio is also a show off business, I admit it), closed bass, sweet sound, nice frequency extension, broad imaging. However, with time, I realized I was listening to them less and less. Difficult to describe why, but it is like if I was not getting enough of the emotion of the concert hall. Maybe it is the coloration of ceramic drivers, or the lack of coherency between drivers with very different dispersion pattern, or the fact that the EA use pretty cheap crossover components.... I really don't know.
So I started to listen to new speakers, probably more than 150 different ones in 18mths and I realized that there was much worse out there... but also that Magico was everything I was looking for: more transparency, much more precision of imaging, more dynamic, much less coloration. I sold the MM3 and bought a pair of Q1 (see my system page) and have also a pair of Q7 on order.

I posted on another famous audio forum my impressions, and my experience with the MM3 vs. the Q1: the good, and the bad. Besides the sound, the "bad" with the MM3 is the poor quality of fabrication:
1) when I received the MM3, one cabinet screw was screwed in the thread of the spike. So I couldn't spike them. I had to dismantle the woofer to remove the screw. The woofer is fixed using basic wood screw. No metal insert, nothing. So you better don't unscrew them more than once, or how would you screw them back? and how do you secure a constant torque with such cheap screws?
2) One of the bass amplifiers died. This happens, and EA replaced it without any question. When opening it, I was however surprised to see the poor quality of connector and cabling used for the bass section. Didn't look like a 40k+ speaker.
3) When I shipped my MM3 to the new buyer, both pairs started to delaminate, next to the amplifier backplate. I contacted EA, who told me a) speakers are not anymore under warranty, b) it happened probably because of variation of temperature during air freight, so "it is not EA fault". Interesting to learn that it is normal to sell speakers which delaminate when shipping by air. Maybe they should put this as a warning in instruction manual.
And this is the model produced in US. Suggest you try the China made Micro...
When I posted my impressions, I got a threatening pm from Mike Lavigne (who owns only speakers and electronics distributed by J Tinn, but of course, this is pure coincidence). You know, the type of messages with a title "I guess we take the gloves off". I am not posting on forums to enter into bull fights, so I stopped there.
I let you build your own opinion. Now it is time for me to go back listening to music.

Ouch. Any rebuttal to this allegation?

This would not be the first example of such subterfuge in audio. It is a "business" after all. Audiophiles are prone to a Polly Annish vision and forget about the sordid underbelly of the hobby....

Ack, I agree with you 100%. I mentioned the MM1/Q7 rumor in an earlier post by starting with the sarcastic word "apparently". I guess my point got lost. I don't believe the story for a moment. The whole Magico/AE marketing rivalry seems to have gotten started in these forums when someone (perhaps from the company) claimed that the MM1 sounded much better at one of the shows than the Mini 2 or Q1, for a tenth of the cost. And then people placed their orders and waited.

I started an Audiogon thread years ago asking opinions about the Magico Mini 2 versus the V2 or V3. Soon thereafter I received a private email from an Evolution Acoustics salesman/owner urging me not to waste my money on Magico and that I should buy one of the smaller, pre MM1 AE speakers instead. He claimed there was no comparison in quality or sonics. This unsolicited sales pitch showing up in my private emails really turned me off. At the time there were not even any dealerships around me where I could audition an AE speaker. He simply wanted me to take his word for it. It's these kinds of tactics which tell me a lot about a company.

Ack: I am really surprised that you would actually be so closed minded. If you need that to be your truth, so be it, but it absolutely is not true, and you are flat out being lied to. I GUARANTY IT.

Who did you hear that from? A desperate Magico dealer with the initials D.W.?

There were others there, with no interest in my products, that heard the comparison for themselves and can attest to exactly what happened. Please contact me offline and I would be more than happy to share further information including people you can contact if you are serious about the truth.

BTW, it was not the MMOne, it was our $2500 MMMicroOne.

Everything I say in the ad is absolutely true. The customer certainly did not need to trade them in, and certainly is not an investor in my company. That is ridiculous. Evolution Acoustics is currently backordered 7 months on our full size loudspeakers and 1 1/2 months on our Micro Series. We certainly have no desire or need for "investors". That is laughable.

The customer owned Magico Q5's prior to the Magico Q7's. He listened side by side (Q7's vs. MMMicroOne) and proceeded to order the Evolution Acoustics MMSevens.

Are you going to THE Show Newport Beach? If this nonsense continues, I will bring the MMMicroOne loudspeakers along with the Magico Q7's and you and everyone else can listen for yourselves.

Jonathan Tinn
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Evolution Acoustics
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I have to ask this... Do you guys REALLY honestly believe someone heard the MM1 and preferred it to the Q7 and ended up selling the Q7 because of it? I am mean _really_ actually believe this?

Consider this version of events I heard... "Customer" is actually recruited as an investor, likes what he hears, invests, sells the Q7s because he has to, these stories are used to promote EA products over Magico.

I agree with Dinder1. The MMM-1 is better than the LS50. The LS50 is nice, but does not have the lows the MMM-1 has and it also sounds "boxey". the LS50 would make a great bookshlef speaker in a nearfield situation like at your desk.

Andrew

"Apparently one owner preferred the MM1 to a Magico Q7, so that is pretty high praise, and he ended up selling his Q7".
Funny to see how people can be naive and believe a story which is pushed by the owner of EA and its unofficial salesman Mike Lavigne...
My personal experience is that I owned Evolution acoustics MM3 for 4 years (which is way superior to the MM1 and Micro), sold it to get a pair of Magico Q1 6 months ago. Heard both in the same treated room. The Q1 completely destroyed my MM3 (except for bass extension, even if you would never believe the speaker playing is so small). The Q1 is so superior i nterm of transparency, transient, and precision of imaging that I am still shocked it is possible.
Additionally, quality of construction is without comparison.
The Q1 is build like a Switch watch. My MM3 was shipped with a cabinet screw in the middle of the spike thread. They started to delaminate when shipping them to new buyer. Not talking about the Micro, who are made in China (I live in taiwan and live in China high tech, so know what it means).
Sorry guys, quality has a price.
And btw, to the person who is hesitating between a second hand pair of V2/V3 and a Micro, the real choice is to buy the new Magico S1. I would take it anytime against the V2 or V3.

I have heard the LS50 ( and they are nice ) but not even close to being in the same league as the MicroOnes.
I replaced my Maggie 1.7s with the MicroOnes and have never looked back. At this point the only speaker upgrade that I would consider would be to move up in the Evolution Acoustics line.

Anybody directly compared the KEF LS50, the reference 3a decapo BE with the MMMicroone???

or epos epic??

also against any planar or electrostatics from magnepan, B&G radia, eminent technology lft-16a, king sound princess II etc...

I'm interested in the mmmicroone but the KEF ls50 will cost me 1200$ less or so.. i wonder how they compare..

I want the best sound for the best price.. but sound take priority..
that alumium tweeter in

I replaced the tweeter on one of speakers 3 weeks ago and everything works fine. Kevin helped me. As Jonathan said replacing the tweeter was easy. No soldering.

the speakers are singing now. Very natural and easy sound.

Jonathan provided good advice and customer service.

Glory,
did you try this combination of the Genesis S-4 with the Micros? where do you get the S-4 for $1700.00?
Best regards

My thought is they will outrun the V2/3 if you add a sub and get it right.

$2800.00 for MM1 speakers

$1700.00 for Genesis S/4

9K V2

12K V3

I'm curious as to how the MMMicro One sound is compared to either the DeVore Gibbon 3xl or the Harbeth line of speakers? Anyone have experience with both?

I have the Genesis S/4 sub and I find it to be an easy setup with the MM1. It makes a big difference in my rather large room.

I have not done a comparison between the MM1 and any Magico speaker, so I can't answer your question directly. However here is some anecdotal information:

Apparently one owner preferred the MM1 to a Magico Q7, so that is pretty high praise, and he ended up selling his Q7.

I prefer the Magico Mini 2 to either the V2 or V3. Many say the Q1 is even better than the Mini 2, though I have not yet heard the Q1.

At least a few audiophiles preferred the MM1 to the Q1 at either CES or RMAF.

From all of the above, I can only conclude that some will indeed prefer the MM1 to the V2 and V3. It may even sound better than the Magico speakers without a sub. I don't know if that is at all helpful.

Glory,

I heard the Magico V2 a very long time ago. I was impressed at the time. I think this is the sweet-spot in their line and I'm not a big fan of the aluminum-enclosure speakers even though they get a lot of good press. I have heard systems at CES that the reviewers raved about which I thouhgt were excriutiatingly brigth and just horrible...one of them was the aluminum M6 or 7 (their original big aluminum speaker).

The V2 was very smooth, relaxed but very detailed and coherent. A very good speaker. To me the MMMicro-1 is more open and neutral sounding without sounding analytical.

I have heard the Magico M-1's 2-way. As far as 2-ways go, 25K or 2.5K for the MMM-1....that only takes a second of thought. I would use the difference in money in the front end.

I like full range speakers...but I would be a little cautious in using a sub with the MMM-1. My concern is screwing up some of the balance and qualities of MMM-1.

I'm not a big fan of subs. Better to get a fully integrated design as "all of the parts are meant to fit together".

The MM-1 excells at upper bass and mid-bass but don't do low bass well as they are not designed for that.

All that said, the MMM-1 is an exceptional speaker and withing it's design range I would not chose another 2-way. AND, you would have to spend a lot of money to get a three-way with the level of performance in the mid/treble.

Have fun,

andrew

Andrew

So we see Magico V2/V3 flying around on the 'Gon for 9/12K.

How does the MM1 run with these dogs? I wonder if the MM1 with a dialed in Sub will sound as good or better than the V2/3.