Jtinn, why did you decide to outsource production? Hearing that was a tad disappointing.
Are the drivers truly custom or are they modded stock drivers? If they are modded drivers, what exactly was modded? |
Another "hot" new speaker to add to the list is the Vapor Audio Cirrus. Uses the Raal tweeter. Would be interesting to compare the two. Runs under 4K and hand built in the USA by one dude.... |
I agree with Hifisoundguy. If you can even remotely approach the sound a good panel with a cheap box then you are cooking with gas. Panels have never been practical for me, and thus I have sought out boxes that approach their openness and speed. I think proper engineering of the box goes a long way towards that goal, and both Vapor and EEs are to be congratulated for their efforts for making it affordable.... |
Jtinn, are the drivers modded Wavecors as Vapor is insinuating?
Charles, side by side testing with or without measurements has merit and is probably worth more than off the cuff show impressions. If u read through the entire thread link above, you can understand Jtinn's reticence.
A recent historical perspective on testing and transparency in hi end audio from Stereophile: http://www.stereophile.com/asweseeit/1107awsi/ |
Very good advice.
The whatsbest thread is pretty divisive. Most speaker's do not measure well like electronics, but it would be interesting to see the Micros measured and compared to the Magicos.... |
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A well built stand is nothing special. It's not rocket science. Prdprez, spoken from personal experience? Conjecture? I personally believe in mechanical grounding and its positive effects on a system. I use a stand mounted speaker where the stand/speaker union is critical to performance. Without the stand, the speaker is just not the same. I have used run-of-the-mill stands on speakers in the past, and I can understand why you would arrive at those conclusions. |
Prdprez, do you speak from experience? What stands are you using now? In the past? That will help frame this discussion. |
Prdprez, what isolation products have you tried with your speakers?
Mike, I know the Wave Kinetics is supposed to be a good product (a derivative of Stanford engineering). I would be curious to see what they would offer in terms of stand design or modifications beyond the use of footers. Starsound technologies is also an engineer-driven company and has a fine product. The seminal white paper and foundation for their particular brand of isolation is also derived from the Stanford engineering department.
I have screwed around with Stillpoints with my current speakers (which their stands were designed around), Sistrum stands for electronics and now room/wall grounding, and the Equarack footers also under electronics. As expected with audio evolution, these products all outperformed my older generation stands that Prdprez is presumably referring to. By extension, these same principles are or can be applied to the speaker cabinet itself. Gone are the days of MDF, black hole, and steel rod bracing.... |
Prdprez, I knew you had minimal experimental knowledge of this topic. Try putting your floor standers on a set of stillpoints or sistrum stands and let us know what you HEAR. Physics is not simply theoretical in nature. There is the experimental arm as well....
Physics and Engineering is a useful platform to try and understand the various facets of this hobby, but there are enormous gaps in understanding in both fields. Case in point, engineers told us for a long time that wire did not matter. Lamp cord was equivalent to exotic wire. Now we know, based on actual measurements, that wire can effect timing errors (jitter). I have been told that mechanical grounding a crossover has effects on its actual performance. Since you have a physics background, is there an explanation for that? Any explanations for stabilization effecting electronic circuits? Surely its more witchcraft..... |
One comparative end-user review of Sound Anchor vs Sistrum: http://www.starsoundtechnologies.com/r23.html
More data on this subject: http://wavekinetics.com/about-vibration.html
Measurable data points associated with a product: http://wavekinetics.com/a10-u8.html
It would be interesting to look at timing errors in digital
and isolation products.
Enough of this. Congrats to EA. Good sound is hard to find... |
Ouch. Any rebuttal to this allegation?
This would not be the first example of such subterfuge in audio. It is a "business" after all. Audiophiles are prone to a Polly Annish vision and forget about the sordid underbelly of the hobby.... |
The Tinnman lays down the gauntlet. Good stuff. Ackman, who is your source? If they are affiliated with Magico, it holds no water.... |
