Here, check out their facebook page. I believe they have all or most of the models on there.
https://www.facebook.com/JBLsynthesis |
Dave_72, what is on the Horizon for JBL that you may know about?, can you share some insight as to what that may be? |
Yes, it is satisfying seeing JBL get some respect.
So much of what is perceived as good in the Western audio market is what is talked about in the magazines. And the mags measure respect just like high priced athletes: in terms of the $$ given to them. JBL does not play the game. |
An unveiling in January?
This sounds very exciting!
What next??? |
YES!
You have to hear a well implemented compression driver to comment!
The Array 1400 are a very sophisticated speaker. Paired with a low distortion system upstream they are very musical and real sounding.
The dynamics are secondary to none.
I have had Array 1400s for a couple of years now and they do things right that very few other speakers are capable of doing.
These JBL speakers are underrated! I agree with everything above. You can say the same for the rest of the JBL Synthesis line, really. And the stuff that will be unveiled in Jan. 2015 will be very nice-and well deserved-additions to the lineup. |
This thread is priceless for the exsposure JBL should have, I have been very amused at the fans and users out there that has came to this thread, I encourage many more to make your post, I have learned more about JBL speakers from this thread then any other since 2012, Bravo! |
YES!
You have to hear a well implemented compression driver to comment!
The Array 1400 are a very sophisticated speaker. Paired with a low distortion system upstream they are very musical and real sounding.
The dynamics are secondary to none.
I have had Array 1400s for a couple of years now and they do things right that very few other speakers are capable of doing.
These JBL speakers are underrated! |
Many may roll their eyes at this but I replaced my VMPS FF3 SRE powered by Classe amps with JBL PRX735 powered speakers about a month ago and really like most everything about them. For $2000 for powered speakers they are fantastic. I use a Lexicon MC8B as pre.
They may not image quite like a high end speaker but they have great bass, accurate mids and no fatigue in tweeters. I had to lower the fan noise but that was a easy mod. My main focus is rock and blues but everything sounds good to me, they just work well in my room. |
Macrojack, guys on forums love to proclaim winners and losers, so no response means there likely are not any people really familiar with the speakers to do a comparison.
Those are very low production, specialist companies you are talking about that don't use dealers. There is little ability to hear them.
I commented, but of course can't do so in detail unless I have those speakers at my place or unless I heard bad faults that are clearly the speakers' faults. Of the 2 I mentioned I heard no bad faults, but heard some really good sound. Further comparisons are not possible given they were not in my room and I did not have my speakers there.
As far as "well informed JBL aficionados" go, there are few in the West for JBL top line modern. JBL did not, until just a few years ago, offer them for sale in the West. Even after opening them up in the West, certainly they do not sell like hotcakes as 1. They are upper price range speakers. 2. JBL has for so long gotten a bad rap in the snobby, trendy world of high end audio that sales of a JBL, or any horn in this price range, are not easy. |
It's been a week now since I posed a reasonable question. Several of you have seen fit to discuss my question and comment about it, but no one has made much of an effort to answer it.
I have a hybrid system that I put together using B&C DCX 50 compression drivers, Acoustic Horn AH300 horns, an RCF 15 inch woofer in a JBL L-200 cabinets, and passive crossovers designed for me by Bill Woods. I have never experienced any of the speakers I asked about but I have read about them frequently enough.
The JBL Everest and K2 will probably remain an unrealistic consideration for me, as will the speakers I asked about. I'm just wondering what well informed JBL aficionados would have to say. |
I meant to say "I can't be unfair to those hard-working guys who have achieved something nice by shotgunning an answer that's NOT (I forgot the word "not" in my response) fully researched......" |
Well, Ptss, I don't answer based on the assumption that here is only one answer, and only one brand. That's the all too common way for audiophile forum members, and forum members of all enthusiast products, it seems. "There is one right answer, and it's the one I own". Well, that's anti-reality, and anti-science. There is usually more than one way to apply science while working under the laws of science and engineering.
As for the particular brands I mentioned I heard, I've heard enough to know they have very nice promise. But without extensive A-B, I can't be unfair to those hard-working guys who have achieved something nice by shotgunning an answer that's fully researched, just to what, brag, that mine is the best?
And, the poster asked how do I compare, not how do I find the value.
My comparisons are based on ultimate performance, not value. I'm interested in the ultimate achievements first and foremost, not achievement per dollar. That does not mean I can afford the ultimate achievement. Whether I can or not is not the issue.
But, yes, I agree, there are some great JBL values out there, on very good, realistic speakers. |
JBL active pro monitors seem to get a good rap and you appear to get a lot of speaker (and amp) for the money going that way. |
at times on this thread, most do not want to accept the JBL is one of the BEST speakers in the world!, they want to give them a bad rap when they certainly do not desearve so! |
C'mon Kiddman; I think you, of all, know the "newest &best" JBL horns are a rare class of deep quality and can be bought for a reasonable (discounted) price. If anything I think they're a true bargain, and probably at least as 'musical' as any other speaker, at any price. Jimho. |
A poster asked "How do JBL top line horn systems like Everest compare to other efforts such as Classic Audio Reproductions, Oswald's Mill, Volti, or Cogent".
Certainly Classic and Volti have great attributes, I don't know the others, best to try to get a serious listen if you are serious about buying. |
Thanks, I appreciate that. |
Great post Dave_72, cheers. |
Ok, thanks Dkarmeli. As just about everyone knows, I currently use the S4700s. It's not a bad speaker at all! Pretty damn good even. But they need a lot of break in time. They weren't very good right out of the box. Also, they're very sensitive to equipment changes and quality of said equipment. If you use a cheap receiver or amp/preamp with these, you're gonna be disappointed. So, they're very revealing. The upshot is that they're easy to drive. You can use a lower powered Class A amp with no problems. Also, they are not too sensitive to placement and they sound great off-axis. So yeah, it's a good solid choice in a high end speaker, imo. Sure, you could do better (at a higher price though,) but you can definitely do worse. At the current list price ($15k) they are a bit overpriced, but from what I understand, there's some great deals on this model as well as the rest of the Synthesis line out there. |
Mapman, Ebm, Magico very often gets bum rap(not from me I don't know them and never used); I bash usually planars and B&W most of models
Nonoise, Bestie boys, RHCP are pretty dorn great rappers (that I know of)
Ptss, Count me in! |
OHM gets a bad rap as well sometimes. Not from me though. |
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Im really worried as everything gets a bad rap by someone. |
DOes Magico get a bum rap? |
Wow this is so important. |
I'll agree JBL gets a bad rap---but only until someone hears a nice pair without knowing what they're listening to! I'll bet a bunch of us have sen that : ) |
Never heard them Dave but I assume given their S9900 pedigree they'd be killers in their class.
david |
DKarmeli, how would you rate the S4700s, haha. :D |
Enjoy them my friend, they're really wonderful speakers.
david |
oh, ok, well then, thankyou. |
I was wishing you luck with your quest and purchase of the 66000, why?
david |
Hi Dave Karmeli, mind me asking what do you mean with your last post? |
Good luck with that Audiolabyrinth! |
Hi DKarmeli, when I get ready, I am pairing one of the Everest models with a modded Krell 700 cx, this would be fun to hear, major slam!, I already have some vintage JBL L-7 speakers that I modded, the krell and these are excellent combo, so going from these to likly the 66000 speakers should be an exsperience to behold!, cheers. |
You know my position Dev, its Lamm or nothing! As far as bad matches go, there are plenty but the Levinsons and Proceed Harman uses for the shows are at the top of the horrible heap.
david |
Is their a such a thing as a match made in heaven amplification paired up with the 67000 to bring out their total sonic offerings.
Or another question, what amps are being paired up and what do they offer sonically speaking. |
Happy you liked the links Audiolabyrinth, no debts here to share. I have heard the 67000 several times just not in my own system and room. It's very difficult to accurately judge components in unfamiliar surroundings but given Timber's track record and the speaker's heritage it has to great!
david |
Not to jack the jbl thread, but I think older pioneer speakers, along with Zu Audio and Tyler Acoustics offer speakers with folded woofers like you were talking about
Great thread btw. Had no clue about jbl's newer stuff you are talking about! |
DKarmeli, wow!, what a fricken kick ass link!, heritage on the Everest JBL speakers too, I am in your debt, thankyou!, accordinally to Kiddman, the 67000 Everest is a substantial departure increase in performance over the Everest 66000 speakers David, Kiddman knows alot about these two speakers, he owns both or had the 66000, I do know he owns and uses the 67000 speakers now, I have talked to him in the past, he can tell you the attributes of everything 67000, I hope he chimes in to you about these fine JBL speakers, cheers. |
Macrojack, what you're asking if properly answered in detail will fill many pages. Briefly, I'm familiar enough with 3 of the 4 brands to confidently tell you that bar the S9800 which I don't like, they don't even come close to a JBL K2!
david
Disclaimer, I'm a dealer but don't sell any of these brands and I have no horse in this race. |
Audilabyrinth, First, 66000 & M9500 have a similar sound and sonic signature. Of course there are differences but sonically I don't see them make or break either speaker. Visually I like both but the DD66000 is a stunner, a real classic beauty. The M9500 is more utilitarian in appearance but still quite pleasant.
The 66000 has a smoother midrange and the addition of the super tweeter adds a feeling of extension and air on top. The M9500 has the better bass, I haven't had a 67000 in my room to comment on. You shouldn't worry about the batteries in xover, just check them and change them every 3-4 years. I have them in the M9500 too.
Here's a link to a brief history of the K2, S9500 & M9500.
http://audioheritage.org/html/profiles/jbl/k2.htm
You can also go to my System link, I have the M9500 in the near field setup.
david |
Can anyone here comment on how the JBL top line horn systems like Everest compare to other efforts such as Classic Audio Reproductions, Oswald's Mill, Volti, or Cogent?
Three of the above named seem to be following JBL and/or RCA while Volti is a Klipsch refinement. |
please post a link to the JBL M9500 speakers, another model I never heard of, gentleman, I am really enjoying this thread!, I am learning so much here from all of you, thankyou. |
The used market for the 66000 here on audiogon looks appealing, the thing is, I do not like the battery scheme for the cross-overs, it would seem if the battery's were half charged this may effect the over all sound?,Dkarmeli, how does the 66000 compaire to the M9500 you are talking about?, Kiddmann, Is it worth it to get a pair of the 66000 speakers on the used market over the K2's and other JBL's that are not the 67000 speakers?, The 66000 used market speakers are more in my budget than the 67000 speakers, do these speakers ever sound bright?, considering that they have 40 khz top range. |
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The 67000 is a lot better than K2. But that does not mean K2 is not good. It's not "all or nothing at all". |
Audiolabyrinth, imo the S9800 and S9900 weren't even as good as the previous generation K2's, specifically the M9500. There were some minor issues with the low frequencies but my main issue with them was the lack of tweeter integration. They always stood out when I heard them. The DD67000 is designed and made to be a K2 and for the best since the M9500. I would have them if I didn't own the M9500 and other horns. They're really good!
david |
Basically. See if you can get a good deal first, and go listen to them as well. You're welcome, and I appreciate that... |
so it's Everest or nothing!, makes sence to do this, considering the cables I have!, thanks dave_72, you are a joy to talk to. |
