Does a 2-way active crossover make sense when using a REL sub connected to the amp?


Hi,

Recently at Axpona a couple of the systems that sounded the best to me had active crossovers. I have a Modwright KWA-150 SE power amp, Dynaudio Special 40s speakers and a REL T7/X sub in my system and I was wondering if there'd be any benefit to introducing an active crossover, especially since the REL sub is feed directly from the speakers connectors.

I looked at the Sublime crossovers but they are 3-way designs. The Marchand Electronics XM66 looks very interesting, but I wanted to know first if any of you has had experience using active crossover with REL subs and/or used ME products.

senna27

I used to have the Marchand XM66 and used it with Rythmik L12 subwoofers. Ultimately I preferred the sound of my system without the crossover unit because, unfortunately, the Marchand was not completely transparent.

I think whether an active sub crossover is a benefit depends on the quality of your system, such as whether the main speakers can handle the lowest octaves without strain and the transparency of your signal chain. 


 

 

Sorry for replying so late, my real job kept me busy. 

So, yes, having an active high pass filter is a very good thing.  About 3 out of 4 a’goners who apply a high pass filter _and_ raise the crossover point to ~ 80 to 100 Hz report greatly improved imaging and clarity. 

The mistake I see many audiophiles make is they go by speaker spec and how much they spent on their main speakers.  "I bought these enormous floor standers and paid $7,000 for them so I want to get every single Hz out of them that i can"  goes the thought.  They then throw a subwoofer into the mix, and set the low pass filter ~ 40 Hz and achieve extremely mediocre results. 

Using a high pass filter (i.e. crossover) lets you minimize distortion, excursion and power sent to your main speakers which often achieves exceptional improvements in clarity especially with 2-way speakers.  The physics is relatively simple.  If you add a sub the main amplifier and speakers still get 100% of the frequency range of the music.  A high pass filter reduces that so that the bass, which is where most of the cone movement and amplifier power is spent, is greatly reduced before your amplifier sees it.

Also consider potentially sealing the ports on the back.  This may make it easier to integrate with the subwoofer and reduce distortion.  A clean tight sock stuffed in the back will do, won’t harm anything  and is immediately reversible.

Two other tips.  Use the AM Acoustics room mode simulator to help you place all of your speakers and your listening location.  Use your own measurements instead of speaker specs or dial settings.  Absolutely nothing about a speaker’s -3 dB point in the low end matters once it’s in a room. 

I have several JL Fathom F-113 subs and for a while I was using the JL Audio Crossover. Though the crossover's worked well I thought I was losing some transparency in the main speakers.

Today, I just play the main speaker's full range and augment the bass at about 40hz. which seems to blend in with the mains better.

ozzy

Thank you all for your comments. It sounds like I might need to play with sub placement some more as well as make some control adjustments.