Jim, that looks great. When I built my shop, I used the pig-tail method on every outlet in the place, workshop, garage, and upstairs office. My thinking was that if I had an issue with an outlet, I wanted it confined to the one device, rather than everything downstream of the failure. I had an electrician or two suggest that I had went to a lot of extra work for nothing. I was still good with my choice, but was curious what was behind your comments. Thanks.
Dealing with a power amp that need 20A connection
I just bought a used Audio Research power amp without knowing it needs 20A connection.
When I received the amp, there was no power cable included, and I've found out that the amp has a connection that I've never seen before. I thought it might be for 250 Volt, but later found out that this amp needs a special power cable with C19 type female connector and it has to be 12 AWG and 20A.
So, I ordered a 20A 12AWG power cable and a PS Audio power receptacle that supports 20A male connector type.
After reading a few more articles on 20A power amp, I may also need a 20A circuit breaker. The problem is, the circuit breaker for the audio room is 15A. Does it mean that I need a new breaker with 20A to use the amp?
What a hassle.
The seller did not mention anything about the cable power requirement and I assumed that it was included, but the seller didn't seem to have known anything about this amp.
So, installing a new circuit breaker is something non tech people can do? If not, how much would I need to spend for professional job?
Would it be just OK to use 15A circuit breaker for the amp as long as I use 20A 12AWG power code and don't turn the volume much high?
Thx advance for your input.
When I received the amp, there was no power cable included, and I've found out that the amp has a connection that I've never seen before. I thought it might be for 250 Volt, but later found out that this amp needs a special power cable with C19 type female connector and it has to be 12 AWG and 20A.
So, I ordered a 20A 12AWG power cable and a PS Audio power receptacle that supports 20A male connector type.
After reading a few more articles on 20A power amp, I may also need a 20A circuit breaker. The problem is, the circuit breaker for the audio room is 15A. Does it mean that I need a new breaker with 20A to use the amp?
What a hassle.
The seller did not mention anything about the cable power requirement and I assumed that it was included, but the seller didn't seem to have known anything about this amp.
So, installing a new circuit breaker is something non tech people can do? If not, how much would I need to spend for professional job?
Would it be just OK to use 15A circuit breaker for the amp as long as I use 20A 12AWG power code and don't turn the volume much high?
Thx advance for your input.
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builder3124 posts12-26-2018 10:30am@builder3 If the joints and pigtail are made-up using an electrical spring wire connectors then pigtail is my choice over using the outlet to make the feed through connections. An electrical spring connector will expand and contract with the heating and cooling of the wire connection always keeping the connection tight. Examples of: 3M https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Electrical-Spring-Connector-412-BAG-Tan-... http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/41497O/3m-scotchlok-y-yellow-insulated-electrical-spring-connecto... https://www.egr.msu.edu/eceshop/Parts_Inventory/datasheets/insulated%20electrical%20spring%20wire%20... Ideal Twister® WIRE CONNECTORS (Tan) . Second choice would be twisting the solid conductors together then solder and tape the joint. This use to be the method of choice for residential house wiremen in my area. |
I also have read that statement: For the very best performance on domestic 100 or 120 volt circuits the 150M should be connected to its own AC power circuit branch protected by a 20 amp breaker. That's why I thought about having a dedicated 20A circuit for this amp. However, so far it seems to be fine with 10awg 15A power cord. |
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I am listening at a low ~ medium volume level, fearing trip the circuit breaker.You can crank the volume up as much as want. The 10 amp Line fuse is a lesser value than the 15 amp breaker. The actual FLA on the amp is more than likely 8 amps or less. (8 x 125% = 10). Keep in mind that is continuous amps. Pushing the amp full bore. The 15 amp breaker will handle a continuous load of 15 amps all day long. It will pass short spurts of current well above 15 amps all day long. (Of course you have to take into account any other loads that are connected to the same branch circuit). Your problem with the 15 amp convenience outlet branch circuit could be/will be VD (Voltage Drop) if you push the amp to hard. Basically starving the power supply of the amp. The caps in the power supply will have problems recharging. . . Subject line is in regards to a power cord but the same would hold true (probably more so) for a 15 amp convenience outlet branch circuit for the amp you have. Ralph - Manufacturer, Atma-Sphere Music Systems There are two aspects, AC voltage drop and high frequency current limiting.https://www.audioasylum.com/audio/cables/messages/17/174988.html Nelson Pass https://www.passlabs.com/press/power-supplies-commentary-consumers. ARC recommends a 20 amp dedicated branch circuit. See page 2. http://www.audioresearch.com/ContentsFiles/150M%20Manual.pdf |
I purchased an ARC 150M two channel. The amp has 10A fuse, so I guess it is fine with 15A receptacle. I bought an adapter, not a cable, and use the adapter with my 12 AWG power cable. I ordered 10 AWG power cable with 15A male and 20A female, and I will get it in two weeks. I also changed the receptacle with a PS audio power port classic receptacle. I am listening at a low ~ medium volume level, fearing trip the circuit breaker. I feel it sounds at least as good as my Plinius 102A. Maybe a little bit more clear and bright sound. Thanks for all the comments and help. I just feel so dumb to purchase this amp without even knowing the different type of power connector for 20A. ;-) |
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It is not ideal, but you can use the amp with a 15 amp line via a plug adapter. As long as you don't crank it up, you should have no problems. If the breaker trips, then you'll probably have to get your lines upgraded, which isn't a big deal- In fact, it might just be a significant upgrade for your system. Bob |
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So, I can just use an adapter, and everything is solved? All the C19 female type power cord I found in Amazon seem to have either 15A male type plug with 14AWG, or 20A male type plug with 12 AWG. The cable has to be 12 AWG (or higher, like 10 AWG), so I thought the only solution would be to use 20A plug cable, which means I need to have 20A power receptacle, which might require 20A circuit breaker. It is a big relief that there are much simpler solutions. I ordered a 20A/10AWG power cable with C19 female connector and 15A male connector. It will take a while to get it, but in the mean time, I can use an adapter with my existing 12AWG 15A power cable. fsonicsmith, If my 15A circuit breaker keeps breaking, then I would think about installing a dedicated 20A breaker for the amp. Until it happens, I would be careful about not cranking the amp’s volume so high. Thanks much! |
Folkfreak nailed it. Look at it in simple terms. If the amp drew more than 15 amps, it would trip the 15A circuit breaker in your electrical panel and further, ARC would likely mandate a 20A male plug and warn you to install a 20A line, 20A rated receptacle, and 20A breaker along with 10Ga Romex on a dedicated 20A line. Relax and enjoy your new amp. ARC has been designing their amps this way for quite some time now. It's admittedly kind of silly. I own a Ref 150 SE and love it. |
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@ihcho I had to deal with a similar issue though my amp did come with a very good stock 20A cord. However, the stock power cable (which I reiterate was quite good and capable) was surpassed by my aftermarket power cord, a 15A standard cable, with a 20A > 15A IEC adaptor. I purchased another one of my aftermarket power cables with a 20A IEC termination and a 15A male three prong end. This surpassed the adaptor (same power cable, but new). [Emphasis - new without adaptor beat fully broken in with adaptor]. I encourage you to try both approaches, but I believe re-terminating will offer superior results. All the best. |
No ARC amp (unless you have a pair of Ref 750 Monos perhaps) needs a 20A breaker and circuit. ARC specify the 20A IEC because they believe its physical and acoustic properties are superior. Also they do not use the 20A male connector because most domestic circuits don’t accept it -- most (frankly all the ones I’ve ever seen) "20A IEC" cords come with a standard NEMA 5-15P Use an appropriately rated cord and a 15A->20A IEC female adaptor if needed (such as the great models from Venom) and you will be fine. Or have your preferred cord reterminated -- AQ for example will do this for any of their cords at a modest cost Finally if you do want to install your new 20A receptacle (which you don't need to) it must be on a 20A circuit otherwise it's a code violation and future fire risk (should someone actually plug a true 20A load in) https://www.lowellmfg.com/wp-content/uploads/LowellPlugs.pdf |
