I have never had a noise issue with my V2 SE's either. I will agree that power conditioning and lots of break in really make big differences with these amps. |
Hi Guidocorona, Jim and anyone interested,
Here's the review Ait did some time ago where he referenced the Nuforce Ref 9V2SE with others:
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?ramps&1205629120
I believe this is an aberation, perhaps limited to his set up, and not a typical scenario for the Nuforce.
Regards,
Kenobi |
Thanks Kenobi, now I do remember the review. I can only guess that AIT may have been dealing with a NuForce right out of the factory or with very incomplete break in, or dead cold. Only on a dead cold and recently installed NuForce I have experienced noticeable artifacts at the top. These went away gradually with time. . . and completely. |
Hi Guidocorona,
Thank you for your confirmation. It took me a while, at least a few weeks for the sound to mature and probably a few months to where its at currently.
Audiophiles are an impulsive bunch and not the most patient. I am also one. Luckily, this time, I stuck around and am being rewarded. Many who did not have successful integration with their systems didn't give it the proper time and a bit of care in priming the unit to the rest of their system. In my case, I didn't discover its magic until I got rid of hard spiky cones and other detailed-wrenching isolation bases (and replaced with softer, more balanced ones) from the rest of my components. Turned out the NuForce amp itself had that in spades and needed no help in that area. A bit of warmth from cabling or upstream sources will nicely balance its inherent attributes and allow it to play music the way its intended.
Best regards,
Kenobi |
Hi Kenobi. You're absolutely correct about hard spiky cones (been there, done that). The NuForce feet are definitely good just by themselves. I found, however, in my system I was looking for a more "soft" presentation. I installed some Bright Star Audio Isonodes (the large ones) under the fixed feet of the NuForce amps. Mainly because I had them lying around. They gave me just what I was looking for! |
As I've said many times, I'm not trying to trash your systems. You love them and that's great for you.
The NuForce problem I had was due to RF emission, I am sure of that. I used a heavily broken in demo unit that had hundreds of hours of use on it, so I don't think it was a break-in issue. Maybe the demo system I had was defective, who knows. It was certainly much worse sounding than either of the other amps I auditioned, and it caused a noticable rise in my system's background moise level just by inserting it into the loop. |
Yoby i have gone around the block with different footers for my Nuforce amps. I have found Mapleshades brass footers tighten up imaging and just help produce a sound a like better than the rest. Amazing how just a small part of a system can make a large difference in your systems musical presentation. Thats why you need to experiment so you can hear a difference good or bad.
Ait no doubt about it early Nuforce amps had a big RF problem that is well documented. As someone who has gone the upgrade route from standard ref 9 to SE to V2 i never experienced any RF or other problems except a loose connection on the last upgrade that was handled by Nuforces fine customer service dept very quickly. I dont have a tuner so maybe thats the reason for no RF issues. Nuforce has claimed that the RF problem has been resolved.
Bottom line if you are happy in music now thats all that matters. |
Ait,
I have no issue if you are happy with your Gilmore amp. Just don't over generalize it by saying that it, quote: "In my evaluation, the Gilmore blew the NuForce Ref 9 SE V2 completely and utterly out of the water." w/o a caveat that it may not be representative of a perfectly functioning unit.
Also, the fact that the Nuforce had RF issue in your system means that your system isn't compatible with the amp. However, you weren't willing to investigate further to alleviate the noise before your auditioning, or get another sample to try. But instead went on to trash the amp the way you did. Fact is, nobody here but yourself mentioned noise issues with Nuforce for this latest V2 version means your experience is an aberation, not the norm. If you made mention of the noise issues, nobody would question your assessment under such condition.
Happy listening,
Kenobi |
Following on from my earlier posts on 26/7/08 and 8/9/08, i have now had my Bel Canto Ref 1000 (mk1) in my system for a few months and i'm now really liking the combination with my Supratek Chenin tube preamplifier. Ask me back in July when i first got them, i would say it was a mistake but not now. Earlier concern about soundstage depth is no longer and i found the combo very musical and condusive to prolonged listening. They may not be in the top echelon with top end resolution but enough to allow me to enjoy the benefits brought about by my new TW Acustic Raven 1.
I'm sure the new and more expensive Bel Canto Mk 2 will sound better with the improved input stage but i'm in no hurry to find out at the moment. |
I would like to report wonderful results combining a Lamm LL2 pre-amp with Bel Canto Ref 1000 mkii mono's.
Tubes + Class D really works well!
Tubes + Class D when matched properly = warmth + body combined with detail and power. To my ears thats wonderful!!!!
I had earlier auditioned standalone class D in the form of JRDG Continuum 500 integrated. This was ok but much less desirable than having a tube front end. |
In a few weeks I will try new flagship of Joule-Electra, Marianne Electra Memorial Edition Preamp - just to be shown at CES 2009. If you recall that their previous preamp got Harry Pearson of TAS Golden Ear in 2007 then I expect very good rersults.
I will try this preamp with Spectron monoblocks and I will post my impressions
All The Best
Rafael |
I have been told that Simon has left Spectron and is now with Joule-Electra. I suppose now the new Marianne pre-amp will be the premier pre-amp, at least according to Simon who will now be working for the company that is producing it. I am sure this new pre-amp will be very nice. I was also told it will be pricey. |
Im currently using a Jolida (100A) tube CD player and Cary (CAD 5500) tube preamp with my Wyred 4 Sound Amplifier (S200). Having some form of tube in your system, let it be CD player or preamp, hooked to a class D amplifier Really bring out the best from these type of amplifiers. This mix has giving me a much more balance and dynamic sound. The sound stage & detail is out of this world.
Im was lucky to have the opportunity to hear this combination before I purchased my Wyred 4 Sound amplifier. I been so impressed that I went ahead and sold my Krell KSA 100s and never looked back.
To be honest I could not be happier with my Wyred 4 Sound amplifier . I high recommend this combination.
Im sure, I would need to spend a lot, a lot more money to even come close to the sound my system is currently producing.
If you are considering purchasing a class D amplifier take a look at the Wyred 4 Sound amplifiers. Nothing comes close to these amplifiers at the current price.
Merry Xmas
PS
Great Xmas Gift
www.wyred4sound.com |
Cbr, I liked the Jolida 100 loaded with Sylvania Black Plates very much. |
