Why is it that when someone can't hear, or dosen't want to hear, differences in cables, they always start talking about psychology? |
Cables more hype than value?
What are the opinions out there?
Tobb (Threads | Answers | This Thread) That can be said about every purchase ... cars, clothes ... Value is different for everyone and up to an individual consumer. |
If you have a mega dollar system, by all means better cables can make a difference although I never heard a huge difference myself, there is a difference. That said,
butting the high dollar cable money into the equipment will get you a bigger bang for the buck.
Putting a system together that sounds good takes time and effort in your price range. Any system done right will get good sound. Your room also plays a part in it.
No hype, no sarcasm, just facts.. |
a very VERY long time ago i compared a $30 pair of OFC cables (rca-1M) to a $125 pair with teflon and some other features. the system consisted of a Hafler amplifier, a decent but not SOTA CD player, and a pair of panel speakers with a powered woofer. the speaker cables were OFC cut from a spool and terminated in-house with spades. i heard increased clarity and definition with the pricier cables, and so did everyone else in the room. while it was not night and day,
the degree of improvement impressed me enough that i bought a couple of pairs. if you can find a similar pair of cables costing around the same amount-
$250 or less a pair, that can and will settle a lot of arguments, and they will probably come with some very high-quality plugs on the ends (to make a secure connction.
beyond that you need very good equipment before getting significant additional benefits. of course this is just one example of getting started with something better than the "included in the box" type of cables. |
since better has not been denoted, it is impossible to reolve this issue
who ever says such and such cable is the best, realy means, in the subjective sense, that the cable in question is preferred over other cables heard by the one making the statement,
since it is impossible to hear every cable, take such statements as anecdotal and not very useful. |
02-17-13: Calloway said:
"....i'll assure you that with a very good system different cables DO make a difference ..
"...doesn't have a system that is resolving enough. .."
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+ 1 (with emphasis added) |
Could it be a variation of this:
Mass hysteria manifesting as collective symptoms of disease is sometimes referred to as mass psychogenic illness or epidemic hysteria. Mass hysteria typically begins when an individual becomes ill or hysterical during a period of stress.[6] After this initial individual shows symptoms, others begin to manifest similar symptoms.
Besides, peer pressure and wanting to belong to an elite group is a factor. Who wants to ADMIT he can't hear what EVERYONE else says they can hear? My system can resolve as well as yours!!! I have golden ears also!!! I am just as much an audiophile as anyone else!!! And so on and so on.
I own Belden 10awg.
Cheers |
OK, I am going to play cyber-psychoanalyst. Tobb, in spite of the fact that you have been a member here for over ten years, you have not previously taken part in discussions about cables. So, I will give you the benefit of the doubt as far as believing that you are not simply trying to stir up controversy about this "beaten to death" subject; on the other hand, after ten years, it's unlikely that you haven't gathered enough info on the subject to, at least, know where to look for opinions. Nonetheless, I will assume that your query is an honest one.
So, in the spirit of trying to be helpful, and in case you don't recognize Chayro's (hope you don't mind, Chayro) sarcasm, look at his posting history about cables. You will not only see that his response here is, in fact, simply sarcasm, but you will find some genuinely good advise.
Now, if you care to also play analyst, you will know my stance on the subject by this response.
Good luck. |
'there is nothing better then 10-gauge Belden'....i'll assure you that with a very good system different cables DO make a difference.anyone who says they don't either can't hear or doesn't have a system that is resolving enough. |
Next up, speakers - more hype than value?
Then, turntables - more hype than value? Then, cartridges - more hype than value? |
Yes - total hype. There is nothing better than 10-gauge Belden. Anyone who buys expensive cable is just being taken in by the hype and nobody out there can actually hear anything I can't hear. People who make expensive cables are thieves and people who buy them are just fools with money who are trying to show off. I've done A/B comparisons using a mint copy of "Lord Sutch and His Heavy Friends" played through Paradigm Studio 20 bookshelf speakers and I heard no difference between the Belden and Stealth Dream (10K) speaker cables. |
The proverbial "can of worms" has been opened once again. |
There is a wide variety of opinions out there. What do you think? |
If you buy cables based on hype, it's usually not a good value.
But if cables do what you want them to do, then only you can determine their value. |
