Cable Burn-In Question Interconnect & Speaker

Please don't spout your nonsense as "known fact".

Cable "burn in" is used by cable manufacturers to convince buyers to keep cables that they would otherwise return.

This is a "known fact"

"Known Fact" - Riffer has anger issues.

Burn in makes life easier for a "cable addict", inevitably , i went the route of getting my own burner, rather than pestering an audio buddy . I used to burn my cable by hooking it up in my car , as i spend more time there. But that was over 12 years ago, not many commercial burners that i remember.

Hi Oak3x - obviously Riffer is just trying to be helpful in his OWN way - otherwise why would he bother to comment???? We offer free cable burn in service with the purchase of any new cables, which helps out the guys with long runs and/or tube gear immensely. We generally run about 36-40 hours on i/c and speaker cables, which gets the cables reasonably close. Phono cables need to have much shorter time and only be done on the Nordost cooker. We have found that you can "overcook" cables by leaving them on the burn in machine for too long. This results in very edgy, brittle, harsh upper mids/highs, but this CAN be corrected in a couple of different ways that I won't get into here. For myself, I use the burn in machines for the 40 hours then put the cables in my system and run music ( Yes -real, actual music) for the remaining time and that seems to get the job done. I hope this HAS been helpful - John

Hey "Riffer"...

Why don't you just state your opinion, and support it with a little evidence. There is no reason to attack someone.

We are all just trying to learn here, or become better educated.

Maybe "you" are just smarter than the rest of us...

Dave

Hey Dave, I'm amazed my post even got through the approval :)

Cable burn-in is a touchy subject, so it is best not to state it as a "Known fact". I would probably rephrase it in a more neutral manner.

That being said, if I believed in cable burn-in, I wouldn't pay a dime for the cable manufacturer to burn them in. I would think that, if they felt it makes the cable sound better, they would burn-in their cables as a matter of course. Some manufacturers do.

Dave

I just burned mine in on my system playing music.

Chuck

With the known fact that Audio Cables (Interconnect & Speaker) benefit greatly from the Burn-In process

The vast majority of electrical engineers and scientists would dispute this statement. There is no process that has been documented that would explain it satisfactorily.

"There is no process that has been documented that would explain it satisfactorily".

Not sure that's a reason to denounce something.

As for "Science", well we know a whole lot less than we think we do. Just because "scientists" dispute something- or support it- doesn't mean it's absolute. Remember Eugenics? Pre-Frontal Lobotomy? Thallidomide (sp)? Martian Canals? Malaria Theories? Celebrex? Silicone Implants? Asbestos? Lead Paint? I'd keep going but I don't have all night :)

As for Electrical Engineers- my Brother AND Sister in-law are both Electrical engineers, and they both tell me in detail why Zenith TV's are the best. So, there goes their credibility :)

There's a fine line between belief and knowledge.

BTW- I've heard burn in take place in my own system, so count me among the heretics.

Denounce? I didn't read that in Shadorne's post.
How about doubt? Is that authorized here?

If you have a tube preamp, then run your tuner or cable box 24/7 into your preamp with the rest of the system including the preamp turned off. Do one pair of ICs at a time. Or if you have a solid state preamp, you can have the preamp on and burn in both pairs of ICs at the same time while the amp is off.
About 100 hours of burn-in should give you an idea about how the cable will sound like eventually. Some cables may take longer to burn in.

Danlib1,

Fair enough. It is true that there are some examples where science gets it badly wrong and later "scientific wisdom" is retracted. Perhaps audio cables will be one of these examples.

Shadorne- I think this is one of those things that just remains subjective. If you hear it and believe, you spend the money. If not, you stay richer :)