Brigid Monos or Mono Blocks?


What are the advantages or disadvantages of running two Stereo amps in Bridged mode vs running two mono amps from the same supplier. I have noticed some companies sell Stereo amps with the ability to run them in bridged mode and similar mono amps. Specs are similar and price is close as well. 

jfrmusic

@overthemoon 

Thanks. Just found out the M400s no longer in production. So the 330A bridged is the only way to get higher power for under $10k and with units weighing under 40 lbs. 

The M400s were awesome - they were dynamic with clarity and capable of reproducing music with finesse or punch.  I think they are excellent value for the price as I compared them to McIntosh and Audio Research.  They blew away the McIntosh in my opinion and were close to ARC while being significantly less than expensive than both.

@overthemoon 

Please give me your impressions of the M400s. Would love to have some first hand experience as to their SQ. 

I'd prefer monos; however it depends on how the equipment is designed.

I have used to own Moon's M400 mono blocks and they are excellent.  The 330A is a heck of an amp and I chose the M400 versus having to buy 2 Y adapter XLRs.

I currently own the Moon 860A V2 and it has a switch on the back to run as a mono.  If I saw another black Moon 860A V2 at a great price I'd consider picking it up :) and running them as mono blocks.

@mulveling 

Thank you. If I decide on the SimAudio I’ll most likely get the two 400m mono blocks. 

So am I interpreting your response correctly in that it would be better to use mono blocks rather than bridge two Stereo amps? SimAudio has a unusual way of Bridging the 330A Stereo amp. They sell a XLR Y-daptor cable that on one end is two XLR connectors. One for each input channel and a single XLR on the other end to accept your source.

In "most" cases, yes that would be my assertion for solid state amps (tube amps are generally fine either way): you’re better off with dedicated mono amps than a pair of bridgeable stereo/mono amps. However that is always subject to the specific amp in question.

If SimAudio does what you say, it sounds like they’re bypassing the need for any special "bridging" input circuitry by utilizing the + and - phases already present in a balance source signal (L channel gets + and R gets - or vice versa). That might work really well, but you’ll run into trouble if your source signal isn’t truly balanced (e.g. if you used RCA - to - XLR adapters). And you’ll still be driving the amps harder, so at that point in depends on how well the amp does when seeing half your speaker’s impedance. If it can handle that without too much added distortion, then the positives might outweigh the negatives by enough to make the extra expense worthwhile.

@mulveling 

So am I interpreting your response correctly in that it would be better to use mono blocks rather than bridge two Stereo amps? SimAudio has a unusual way of  Bridging the 330A Stereo amp. They sell a XLR Y-daptor cable that on one end is two XLR connectors. One for each input channel and a single XLR on the other end to accept your source.

When I’ve tried stereo/mono bridge-able Solid State, the bridging brings a lot more power - up to 4x power, if the amp truly "doubles down" because its PSU / output stage / heat sinks can handle the strain. But more often you’ll actually see a ~ 3x power gain or thereabouts. HOWEVER this approach is not without sonic downsides. It’s turned me off of bridging. Not only are you running the amp much harder, but the bit of bridging circuitry itself may be a less than ideal implementation. And yes each channel now "sees" only half of your speaker’s impedance - so if your speakers are nominal 4 ohms, your amp would need to safely drive 2 ohms (lower for dips, so it should be stable to 1 ohm).

The switchable stereo/mono tube amps I’ve had (VAC) use a different approach than bridging. They parallelize the 2 stereo channels at the output transformers. This approach "only" doubles output power, BUT the sonic impact is ALL positive - no downsides like with bridging. This approach kind of has the opposite impedance problem of bridging. The output "taps" will shift around. What was formerly an 8 ohm optimized tap (stereo mode) is now optimized for 4 ohms, due to the parallelization. So you'd need 16 ohms stereo taps to run "optimal" mono into 8 ohms. VAC doesn't supply those 16 ohms taps, and my speakers are 8 ohms. But it still works great :)

One advantage of bridging capability:

say switch to tubes, keep cost/heat/size/weight down, will 45 wpc be enough?

or: buy new speakers, less sensitivity, existing amp enough power for them?

If reasonably easy to find another, used or new, you can bridge them later, typically getting double the power.

btw: two sets of outputs from the preamp? 

A bridged amp sees half the load impedance. This can be a problem with certain speakers and amps. Current demand doubles.