Best Record Cleaning Fluid


Greetings All,

I’ve spend the last few days searching and reading about record cleaning fluids for my cleaning machine (Okki Nikki).  Wow - there are a lot of options out there.  Many more than I originally thought.  Some real esoteric stuff that costs a pretty penny.  I’m currently going through my entire collection, cleaning it, listening to it and adding it to a Discogs DB.  Want to finally know how many I have and have a list of them.  But doing this has resulted in me going through cleaning fluid rather quickly.

So many options, so many perspectives on what are the best fluids.  What do you all say.  I understand that alcohol is a no-no for fluids, but I can’t find out if some of them include alcohol or not.  Currently using up the fluid that came with the machine, but no where can I read it if has bad ingredients.

The 2-stage or 3-stage cleaning systems are not going to happen.  I did get a bottle of Revolv that I was told was good, and use if for new high quality pressings (as opposed to those I bought in high school).

Anyway, would appreciate some perspectives on good quality record cleaning fluids that don’t bust the bank.  Thanks for keeping the sarcasm in check.

Happy Listening,

pgaulke60
Ok Cleeds. How do you know that? Just because Steve Hoffman say it does not mean it is true. Trust me on this one. Nobody at MFSL is a materials scientist. They are way more interested in marketing. With the original releases they cut the gain so nobody would miss track and boosted the bass which made things sound more dynamic if odd. The materials scientists all say we would be better off using a polyimide and toss the PVC.  I have been up and down the internet getting a better picture of the chemistry as I had always assumed that there was nothing but carbon black and PVC in record vinyl as that is how it was always presented to me and I have been in a pressing plant and watched the process. Assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups and I got caught in it. I have always said making mistakes is the best way to learn. I'm learning now.
Most SuperVinyls are just virgin vinyl that has no recycle in it perhaps using a plant that is more fastidious about its process. After they trim the record edges the excess and all the contaminants it has been exposed to get thrown back into the pot. Most records are 20-30% recycled vinyl. The plants are usually a mess. Just cleaning up helps. The Japanese have proven that 
There is nothing wrong with carbon black in the very small amount used something like 0.05%. It is true if the percentage gets too high the record will develop a hiss. But carbon black has other specific advantages. It makes the vinyl tougher and more slippery according to what I have read. I have EMI and Decca records that are dead silent and they say nothing about SuperVinyl on them. However there are probably tweeks that could improve PVC. On the other other hand if you really wanted to improve records you would bite the bullet and accept the higher cost of a polyimide which according to several sources would make a significantly better record. ljgerens probably knows more about this than I do. 
I hardly ever vacuum clean my records....such a pia.....  I use a Hunt record brush which takes off the dust and am good to go. 
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Liz, baby, to not wash a used LP is like to deep kiss a stranger: you don’t know where that mouth/LP has been ;-) . The Record Doctor RCM can be had for only $199.
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I have several MSFLs that are similar to many of my Japanese LPs where they look black/dark but when held up to a light, are almost transparent with an amber coloration.
That's the famous JVC vinyl that MFSL used early on. Now they have a somewhat different composition with their latest formula. It'll cost you.
Here is the best dissertation I could find on the subject in layperson's terms.   http://pspatialaudio.com/pvc.htm 
As Regan said, "Facts are funny things." MFSL is a marketing firm. I have purchased their stuff since the early 80's. I have the completes Beatles set and the complete Stones Set as well as several UHQ discs like Crime of the century. Their game was to try and use virgin vinyl and better pressing plants so they could lower the gain so everybody's cartridge had an easy time tracking, and boost the bass which a lot of us complained about. Unfortunately, the lower gain created records that got unacceptably noisy if treated anything but absolutely perfect. Today's MFSL when compared to Analog Productions and a lot of the old European classical stuff is second rate. It is better than routine stuff for sure but it is not the last word and I certainly do not plan on buying any of the new UHQ records for that kind of money especially when I can get most of the stuff the market in high def digital down loads. However their PVC is compounded makes no difference. The very small quantity of carbon black added to PVC 0.2% makes absolutely no difference in the quality of the sound so using a substitute probably means nothing. As long as virgin vinyl is used the quality of the pressing is determined more by technique and cleanliness.  By the way as you can read in the link above most of the stuff compounded into the vinyl has nothing to do with sound quality but rather to prevent problems that occur with the process. 
Oh, I forgot to mention It was noted by several materials science people that polyimides would make a much better record than PVC but would require a different process to manufacture. So If MFSL really wanted to knock it out of the ball park they could create the process and make Polyimide records. Then they could charge $1000 for a record:)
Virgin vinyl is the primary reason Japanese LPs are so quiet.  I do not own more than a few MFSL pressings.  Originals often sound superior despite their higher record noise.  I'll take a V.S.O.P. reissue any day over an MFSL from the 80s. 

RECORD TIME Cleaning Fluid for LPs/45s/78s from Musical Surroundings has been my goto. Cuts thru the toughest grim & leaves no residue.