As An Experiment I Stuck A Few Things Under My Pre-Amp And Am Now On A Quest
My system is built out, got the pieces I want in place, and struggled a bit with how it sounds. With certain recordings it was sublime and with others it could be a bit sterile or mechanical sounding. These are all solid state components in a Salamander cabinet, and up to this point I have never been a fan of isolation devices with SS gear. Now with tube components I did use spike type devices under amps and preamps, so I have had a bit of experience.
Last night I rounded up a few wayward isolation devices I had from previous systems and thought I would experiment a bit. The pre-amp contains the DAC also, so I thought I would start here. Put in some Wagner type pads, and got a different sound with some improved focus but the bass was lean and a bit odd. But things changed. I tried some magnetic pods I had, no change with them.
Then as a whim I cut two sections of foam pool noodle I had laying around and put it under the front and back of the preamp. I oriented them lengthwise. Something fantastic happened here! I got spooky precise focus to instruments, the bass response became impactful, the sound is more relaxed...perhaps a bit too smooth but I will take this over that mechanical presentation any day. This is sounding very nice.
So, after dinner I decide to cut a third one and perhaps the bass gets better. I put it in and all the gains are gone, it sounds worse than the first set of Wagner pads I put in. The bass literally vanishes and the soundstage collapses. Pull it out and things are good again. I listen to disc after disc last night and am pleased with the sound. I am spinning vinyl this morning and still feel the same way.
So now I have a plan of action. On one hand I am content to leave the noodles in place and roll with that for awhile. It would be nice to have a permanent solution though. It seems like I am looking for a compliant solution. I remember Brightstar used to build a little shelf that housed a bike inner tube in it, and I think Townshend Audio also had a bladder type platform.
It would be interesting to know what products folks have used that functioned in a similar manner.
Thanks for sharing any thoughts or experiences.
Townshend Seismic spring-based products get universal praise in reviews and from users, but their stuff don’t come cheap. Other people here looking for a much cheaper spring-based isolation device have used these and have been very happy with the results… And they’re easily returnable thru Amazon if they don’t work out. Hey, for 30 bucks they’re worth a try and look a helluva lot better looking than pool noodles! |
@neonknight Your experience suggests that your preamp is picking up vibration from the shelf on which it sits. The pads you made are providing some isolation. By adding more pads, they were not loaded as much and so vibration was simply being transferred. As a general rule of thumb, squishies like Sorbathane isolate; pointies couple. It sounds like whatever your preamp is sitting on is vibrating so the squishies are working for you. A good quality platform might be the next step. Such a platform can be made DIY; if you look into this here's a tip: it must not be made of a single material, like a block of wood, cement or the like. Its better if two different materials are coupled together to form the platform; each material vibrates differently and so rob each other of energy. Even with a good platform, it should be isolated from the shelf beneath; the preamp then would have pointies beneath it to couple it to the platform. Obviously there are better squishies than bits of pool noodles. Look into Sorbathane pads. |
i tried a sandwich of coupling/decoupling/isolation minerals and wood and granite : Granite plate -sorbothane plate-cork plate -bamboo plate-shungite plate- 4 small pieces of herkimer quartz as feet under ... .... It worked for me ...You can try variation ... The recipe must include sorbothane plate ... It work for me and all my gear are on a desk ...The speakers are also damped by heavy load compared to their own weight ... The bass is 50 hertz depth and clear with no boominess ...It is amazing result for a speakers with 4 inches of woofer ... I also modified my speakers but it is another story ...😊 I dont want to buy costly even effective product, i prefer homemade ... |
Hi, I have dabbled in all sorts of isolation, coupling and decoupling devices. Ultimately I find the best sound (clarity, extended FR esp bass) are ball-bearing / maglev devices. Bladders / inner tyre tubes give muddy bass (i.e louder but bloated) and slower perceived sound. I like fast transients, overall speed, and dynamics. I use these (the "Lyd") which are expensive, but there are others (stillpoints, isoacoustics' Gaia, etc). I recommend you try a reasonably priced chinese offering like this. If tyou don't like the sound the pucks can always be used elsewhere. |
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I have a heavy single end 6BG6 tube amp sitting on top of a JVC DVD player that I use as a transport for my Khadas KTB DAC. So heavy I have to lift up the front of the tube amp to get the center drawer open to load a CD. Sounded real good listening to the remastered Rolling Stones Goats Head Soup! Angie! |
