@tonywinga I'm about 10 months late to this party. I am researching the AC Helene, and after reading your initial assessment, I am wondering, 10 months later, how you are feeling about your purchase? Any regrets? Are you off the DAC merry-go-round? As an old retired guy, obviously before dropping $20k on a DAC, I need to reasonably convince myself that this is the "endgame" kind of deal. Unfortunately I cannot easily audition a Helene. Looking forward to some advice from an owner like yourself.
Jym Caputo 313-378-1985 jymcaputo@gmail.com
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@tonywinga
@jc51373
Just an FYI for all Helene owners - the stock Mullard rectifier SUX!
Do yourself a huge favor and upgrade to a 5AR4/GZ34 NOS Mullard F31,F32, or a Matsushita w/ the split seam top. I'm using a GE/Matsushita split seam GZ34 and it's a night/day difference from the stock Mullard. The mids are much fuller with more meat on the bone (in my system).
And as I mentioned in my earlier post the Helene's phase is inverted, so you need to check if it sounds better when you invert it back into proper phase.
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Thank you for that insight phantom_av. I find the Helene and the Antipodes K50 to be a powerful, musical combination. On my system at least the sound of digital and the sound of vinyl have converged. When I play a record now I am surprised how much it sounds like my DAC and how much my DAC sounds like I‘m playing a record. I suppose that is how it should be.
In the past I would play a CD to hear some new music but then switch to vinyl. My ears would immediately relax hearing the needle trace the record grooves. Vinyl was so much more musical. I know it is an age old cliche‘ now to say that a DAC has an analog feel; but for me it is finally true. I can listen and relax to the sound of the Helene.
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Before becoming an Aries Cerat Distributor for the Indonesian market, I invested significant time and resources in traveling across Asia and Europe to audition various amplifiers and attend different shows. This exploration has spanned several years as I searched for a product to sell—one that I would personally choose to keep rather than opting for items heavily endorsed by magazines but that I wouldn’t personally prefer. Despite the presence of many well-established companies producing high-quality audio equipment, I have encountered a common issue with products excessively praised in magazines: they are often overhyped by reviewers but ultimately lack in sound quality and authenticity.
During my visit to Aries Cerat, I had the opportunity to immerse myself in their amplifiers, including both Tube and their latest technology, TriodeFet, which they have been diligently developing over the past decade. Spending a week at the factory in Cyprus, I extended my stay after experiencing the entire system with the DAC. The emotional connection, musicality, dynamics, transparency, and other sought-after qualities were all present, compelling me to acquire these products for my region without hesitation.
A standout aspect of Aries Cerat’s equipment is that their amplifiers, preamps, and DACs, even the more affordable models, can rival high-priced gear from other manufacturers. This means that individuals on a budget can still access top-tier performance without needing to invest in the ultra-premium AC gear. For instance, the Helene serves as a prime example of this accessibility. Additionally, I must highlight that the Kassandra Reference DAC I own has outperformed (to my ears) both the DCS Vivaldi DAC and the Playback Design Dream Series. Despite common complaints about Aries Cerat’s pricing, many are unaware that even the lower-tier products in their lineup already deliver reference-level performance.
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@willgolf
Yes you’re much better off posting on WBF exactly for the reasons you cited. Definitely a wise decision. I look forward to following your listening impressions.
Charles
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@tonywinga --Are you a member of What's Best Forum? If so, there is an Aries Cerat forum that has many reviews of Aries Cerat equipment. I will chronicle my journey on that forum under Aurora speakers. I suspect I will get around to do that with lots of pictures this weekend.
The last time I did a review of the Lampizator Horizon on Audiogon, I had to have the moderator take it down because I did not appreciate many comments referring to rich man's DAC and why would you spend that kind of money on a DAC? It got nasty. I can only imagine what would be said on Audiogon if I did a full Aries Cerat review. BTW, I am not rich.
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@willgolf
Even though I loved my Horizon, I do like the synergies from Aries Cerat.
Makes perfect sense to me. Two superb DACs, one could hardly go wrong with either.
Charles
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willgolf, outstanding. Looking forward to hearing more about you new system as it burns in. Also, pictures. Want to see pictures.
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First impresssion of Kassandra 2 Ref vs Lampizator Horizon. This was based on my old speakers ---Viking Acoustic Grande Voix Dual Horn speakers. My amp and Preamp are both Aries Cerat Essentia and Ageto. My music server is a critical part of my system and is a Lucas Audio LDMS.
The key with Horizon is your ability to tube roll to adapt the sound to your liking. I was not using any of the base tubes from Lampi. There are only two tubes in the Kassandra and they are E280F variety. I thought the Horizon had better bass and a little bit more detail. Kassandra was more neutral. The Horizon costs approximately $20k more. I am not disappointed at all with the Kassandra but the Horizon for my ears was a little better.
Enter the Aries Cerat Aurora speakers. I can see, hear, and feel the synergies with an all-Aries Cerat system. I also exchanged the stock Kassandra tubes and replaced them with a Rusian version of the same tube. It made a big difference right away. The Bass packed more punch and was very fast and cohesive. The detail and soundstage improved. It is amazing what changing tubes can do for a system. Another part of that is I am using a QSA Ultimatum Infinity jumper cable from the crossover to the bass driver of the Aurora. Obviously, the new speakers and cable only have around 12 hours on them so there is a long way to go to break in.
Even though I loved my Horizon, I do like the synergies from Aries Cerat.
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@tonywinga lol, yes indeed it's a beast to deal with when it comes to shipping and recrating. Beautiful design overall, glad you are happy with yours. Feels good to be settled into what you were looking for for sure.
Enjoy your DAC!
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@jc51373
My goodness, settle down. Nothing has “shattered “ I was just acknowledging that nothing will please everyone. What some may find to be absolutely terrific, others, not so much. It happens all the time with audio components/automobiles/food you name it. We all simply have different needs, desires, and taste. I thought my response made this observation and prospective pretty clear.
This particular DAC isn’t for you it seems. But without question, you will find something that suits you to a T.
Charles
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Hi jc51373, well that stinks. I'm sorry the Hele'ne was not to your liking. I'm guessing you are able to return it. My dealer gave me a 30 trial period. Definitely will be a bugger getting that beast back into the crate. Remember to lift with your knees.
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@charles1dad
"All comments/feedback that I’ve encountered concerning the Helene DAC has been unequivocally positive."
I just shattered your world apparently...I wasn't trying to solve a dillema but I have first hand experience with the dac...Do you?
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@jc51373
But I am left scratching my head at all the gushing over this DAC, it's just ok not worth $20k by any means.
It seems that you have solved this dilemma. Different audio systems, ears and taste will certainly account for the variation of results. I know of no audio product that is an exception. Nothing suits everyone ideally.
Charles
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I have the Helene here in my system...First impressions, it's annoyingly heavy, it's resolving, and throws a MASSIVE sound stage, but...In my system the DAC is almost too neutral for my ear and lacking something in the mid bass region. Sounds good up top, decent with the bass (a little chubby), but the mid bass and voices just don't cut it for me, almost a little shouty on some tracks. It has great rhythm and pace, however I am not going to say it's musical since it lacks warmth that real music has. Not cold overall, but cooler..Overall it's a great dac in the right system, but anyone looking at this DAC needs to know it's a neutral DAC, very neutral and uncolored. I also found the SPDIF to sound better than the USB...All of this is in the context of my ear, in my system. YMMV...But I am left scratching my head at all the gushing over this DAC, it's just ok not worth $20k by any means.
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Many people will say nothing compares to Vinyl but Digital is getting better and better and if you can find a DAC / Server combination the results are pretty awesome. Thanks for your analysis of Vinyl vs Digital
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@tonywinga
Thanks very much for posting your listening comparison. I’ll acknowledge that I am not surprised by your outcome. Both mediums have the potential to provide exquisite sound quality and music reproduction.
Charles
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The vinyl side does have one advantage. I can turn it on and within an hour it is sounding good. If I shut the DAC and Music server down, it then takes 3 days for them to warm up and sound their best- ie. I have to leave them on.
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I got around to playing some vinyl. It is just as enjoyable and satisfying as the digital rig. I think the rhythm and pace has much to do with the satisfaction of the music- both vinyl and digital are comparable now. The bass is comparable now as well. I think the bass on vinyl was a bit better before as compared to my previous digital rig. Now they are about the same. Soundstage and imaging are very close.
My vinyl rig is a Sota Nova VI with vacuum, Eclipse Motor and magnetic bearing, SME 309 tonearm and a Soundsmith Zephyr phono cartridge feeding an ARC Ref 2SE Phono Preamp.
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I moved to the top of the line Kubalas. Got them used, but they best the much less expensive Inakustiks by a wide margin. The Kubalas tend toward the polite but just so natural sounding.
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@willgolf
I believe you’ll get more feedback snd interest on WBF and no condescending posts hung up on the cost of your choice of components. Have fun!!!
Charles
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@charles1dad
LOL on the WBF comment. I find WBF members have been very helpful in my audio journey. Yes, I will try and provide feedback on the differences between Kassandra and Horizon but I will probably do it on WBF. I am not big on all of the fancy audio terms but I will do my best. In response to the cabling comments above, I have used Inakustic cables then went to Hijiri and now I am heavy into QSA Lanedri.
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@willgolf
Comparing the Lapizaror Horizon and Aries Cerat Kassandra II is quite interesting and intriguing. This is at What's best forum level!!! 💎
I can not imagine one being less than thrilled with either one of these esteemed DACs. I hope you find the time to share your listening impressions. This should be an utterly delightful endeavor.
Charles
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@audition__audio
Again, I get it, Bob is alot to handle, I take him at face value, nothing more. What cables did you move to from IAK?
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jc51373,
Did you get the mention of how much he sells and how all the ultra rich own AC? Moving in these circles as he does. Be interesting to see what he sells as the absolute best (as in nothing close) when he looses a line and has to replace it. Nothing new among distributors of dealers really. By the way I own and have been happy with the Inakustik cabling, but found a better speaker cable for less money. I will go on record as saying that nothing he represents is anything but very good to excellent.
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+1 on the test of vinyl vs digital. I have read so many threads saying Vinyl can not be matched. I can't really say as I have not had vinyl for over 20 years. What I do know is having a great DAC and Music Server can create some unbelievable-sounding music. I am glad you have found your nirvana with music. In my case, I have the Lampi Horizon and Lucas Audio Music server. On Tuesday I get the Kassnadra 2 reference DAC. It will be interesting to see and hear changes going from Lampi to Aries Cerat.
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Thank you. I agree. I will have to let the phono preamp settle back in for a couple of days first.
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@tonywinga
It is gratifying to read your update and appreciate how happy you are. It would be very interesting to do a comparison with your vinyl set up and hear how things contrast/differ.🌝
Charles
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I don’t mind at all. I love the open discussion. I have only interacted with my dealer, Scott and he has been great to work with. As for an update- it is a cozy, rainy Saturday morning here and I have been listening to music guilt free. Sure, I could go to the gym but sometimes it is great to just savor the moment.
I have had the Hele’ne for just over three months now and the Antipodes K50 music server/player just shy of two months. First thing to note is that I have not played a record in three months. It has been strictly digital listening and that has never, ever happened before. I keep telling myself that I need to turn on the phono preamp to at least keep the capacitors formed and to also get a fresh frame of reference. I just can’t stop listening to this DAC and Server combo.
Foremost in my mind listening to this combo is the clarity and the rhythm and pace of the music. For me, the last bastion of vinyl was rhythm and pace. It took me a few years some decades back to get that right with my vinyl rig. I could hear a difference in rhythm and pace back in the 80s and 90s with different stereo systems and turntables but I didn’t know what it was until a hifi buddy came over in the mid 90s to hear my system. He told me my system lacked rhythm and pace. I felt like telling him his mother was ugly but he was my friend and I was about to learn something. Only it took me about 7 years to finally figure it out. I was thrilled when my system started to click. I think that is why I could never listen to a CD for very long. In addition to the rhythm and pace, the clarity of this combo is remarkable. It can be a large concert or an intimate setting where it feels like the musicians are just a couple of yards away. But the clarity comes with no penalties such as harshness, glare or sibilance. That is the most amazing thing listening to this system now. One of my favorite things right now is hearing guitars. I can feel the pressure of the fingers pulling on the strings. The plucks of the strings are so delicate and at the same time can be so powerful, full and rich. The imaging feels so real. The guitar has a body to it. And in many cases the singer’s voice is a couple of feet above the guitar. I don’t know how my system does that. This detail applies to other instruments too but I just have never heard guitars in so many songs feel so real.
The Hele’ne and the Antipodes K50 are a great team- a fantastic musical team. One can’t excel without the other- for streaming. My CD transport combined with the Hele’ne also has that magic- the rhythm and pace that can make the music spellbinding. Another interesting thing is that the Hele’ne lacks DSD. It is strictly a PCM DAC but can operate at all of the sampling rates when using a USB cable. My previous DAC had DSD256 capability. Do I miss that? Not at all. I am still using Roon on the K50 server side and so Roon converts my DSD files to a high rate PCM. My DSD files have never sounded better. (I am using Squeeze on the player side of the K50).
This digital combo still thrills and astonishes me after three months. Streaming, CD or FLAC all sound amazing. My listening sessions always last several hours. It is hard to pull myself away. I’m done with worrying over network switches, ethernet power supplies and modems. I’m still using audio grade network switches but I doubt they impact the K50 as much as they did my previous NUC based music server. The K50 has a double isolated ethernet plug.
It’s like I found an oasis in the desert. This oasis has everything I need; a pool of sparkling clear water, shade, dates to eat, etc. Perhaps an even better oasis lies over the next hill of the desert. I’m too happy right now to care about that.
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@tonywinga
So as not to derail your thread, it would be great to hear an update on your Helene.
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@willgolf
Don't defend the indefensible...The guy is over the top and you KNOW it. Spend about 5 minutes on the phone with Bob and everything you know and have experienced in your audio journey is WRONG and only what he has experienced, and coincidentally sells, is the correct thing to own.
I am in agreement with @audition__audio. AC is great gear, but the distributor chosen to sell it isn't the best face for such a wonderful brand.
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@cfa88
The Ageto is outstanding and thanks for asking. I was 100% convinced after going three years without a Preamp that I did not need one. I was wrong. The major difference is that I can now listen to music at really low sound levels and still get all of the detail that I crave. The music is way more lush, soulful and live. My Kassandra 2 Reference DAC is coming Tuesday. My Aries Cerat Aurora speakers are in my garage in 6 very large crates totaling 2000 lbs. The sad news is I need help to set them up so I have to wait until March 24.
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@willgolf
How do you like your Aries Cerat Ageto connected to the Essentia?
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@audition__audio
Bob is alot to handle but the AC gear is good. You have to separate the two, Bob won't be living in your listening room after the sale and thats all that matters.
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@tonywinga
Congrats! Enjoy this stunning Aries Cerat DAC. It easily beats DACs 2x - 3x+ its price.
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To me this is the face of this company in North America and I just cant get around it. Make no mistake this is on me. Now if I could buy directly from the company this might change things. It is simply not enough to have the best or one of the best products I have to feel comfortable with the person representing the line. If you start off your presentation without questions and just start spraying praise using absolutes I have a real problem.
I will stop by if I attend Axpona, but critical listening at shows is difficult and usually some time at home is required. I have no doubt this is very good stuff and am sincerely glad you may have found your "end game" product.
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@audiotronics
So you really have a problem with the distributor of Aries Cerat vs Aries Cerat components. Have you heard Aries Cerat components? In the last 5 years, I have done a lot of buying and selling components. Aries Cerat is not well known in the USA as there are very few dealers. It is also a higher-end expensive brand.
I have had Wilson, Sonus Faber, B&W, Raven, Audio Research, Canary Audio, Lumin, Meitner, and Lampizator, I am not an expert, but from my experience, the attention to detail, engineering, build quality, and sound of Aries Cerat are as good as I have ever heard, Prior to buying Aries Cerat components, I compared them with 8 different systems all valued at over $500k each. When I got to Aries Cerat, I just said WOW. There was just that much difference. So there is a reason the NA distributor is gushing over them, Unfortunately, it is not in everyone's price range. If you have not hada. chance to hear Aries Cerat, you may want to attend the Axpona show where Aries Cerat will be displayed. Cheers
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@tonywinga
Congrats on the new music server. Antipodes is definitely a great server. I can tell you from my experience that a great DAC and Music server is critical for absolutely the best SQ. When I had a Lampizator Pacific DAC after having the Lumin X-1, I was not initially impressed with the Pacific. Once I added the Lucas Audio LDMS music server I could not believe how good the music sounded. Everyone will argue what is the most important component, but for me, in my system, the LDMS provided greater SQ. The combination of Helene and the K50 can be end game components.
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As a follow-up I have had the Hele'ne for seven weeks now. It has performed flawlessly and I have heard changes through the first month as it went through break-in. The changes were subtle, basically just more of everything I posted originally. The clarity and resolution are remarkable but it is also a blessing and a curse. I hear more flaws in recordings which can be distracting. I can hear microphone overload distortion on more recordings now. Not a lot- so far about three songs out of hundreds. But despite that all digital grain, glare whatever it is called is gone. I find that as I improved the sound of digital I can turn up the volume. Now, I have to make myself turn the volume down. It sounds so good I turn up the volume to increase my pleasure. It is so smooth that I don't realize just how loud I have it sometimes.
I have mixed things up a bit because I bought a new music server. I brought in an Antipodes K50 music server 12 days ago. It is still breaking in but I intend to review it as well once it is a month old. But I can say now that the Hele'ne and the K50 paired together is an amazing combination for a source. The rhythm and pace of the music just flows like analog. Unless you have heard good analog- tape or vinyl, you might not realize that digital can be off a bit with regards to rhythm and pace. I noticed it in the past with my old DAC/server after a couple of days listening to vinyl. But more on that later.
What prompted me to go for a new music server was an evening listening to my CD Transport through the Hele'ne. I was spellbound by the music. I listened to 5 CDs, never skipped a track. The next day I wondered what was different vs. listening to those same CDs via FLAC files on my NUC based music server? I tried A/B between CD Transport and Music server. I even had my son listen and compare. Back to back we could hear no difference. But just sit down and listen and I found the music was free flowing when played through the transport. So I decided to try a music server commensurate to the Hele'ne. (Less inheritance for my kids.) I get a 30 day trial so it is pretty risk free. And an in- home audition is the best kind. Spoiler alert- the K50 is not going back.
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The problem I have with Aries Cerat is the gushing regarding this product to me by the importer out of Canada. No line is that much better than everything else!
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@willgolf
I am happy for you. I believe that you Aries Cerat audio system is going to sound spectacular!!
Charles
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Charles
I know to a degree you have followed my audio journey going way back to SR fuses. A lot has transpired over the last seven years. I never would have thought I would end up buying Aries Cerat components. i never thought I could afford them. And then, after having some major health issues my life changed and I just said to myself that you worked hard to get what you have, why not enjoy it to the fullest?
I absolutely love my Lampi Horizon DAC. Yes, I am hoping for greater synergies by having an all Aries Cerat system. But, it all boiled down to making a financial decision in order to get the Aries Cerat Aurora speakers.. My wife was ready to kill me when she found out that I would be replacing my current speakers which she helped pick out and absolutely loves them. It was all part of a package dealer and what the dealer was willing to give me on my trade-in equipment. I also promised her that I was now done swapping equipment....wink wink. I just hope my current speakers will find a nice home somewhere. They are truly outstanding for the money.
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@willgolf
I am trading my Lampizator Horizon for trhe Kassandra 2 DAC
Congratulstions!
If seems as though you are exchanging superb DAC for another superb DAC. I assume that there is significant synergy having the Kassandra REF 2 in a system with its Aries Cerat siblings. Couldn’t possibly go wrong with either of these two DACs.
Charles
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Congratulations to you too. I bet your system will sound musical. That will be an amazing system, I just know it from hearing this Helena DAC. I'm listening right now and loving it. I keep trying to shut my system down but I can't walk away. I had my finger on the preamp power button for a few seconds once a couple of hours ago. I might need counseling.
This DAC has a crazy amount of energy storage. It has 6 large transformers plus one large toroidal transformer. That's probably a lot of the 85 lbs. The Kassandra 2 DAC probably has even more. The first time I shut this DAC down I thought the power switch was broken. Nothing happened for several seconds and then the bias voltmeter started to dim and went out. It took a good half a minute for all of the LEDs on the circuit boards to finally extinguish. Won't be poking my finger around in there.
The dealer told me it is recommended to leave the DAC on. The owner's manual has no specs. So I don't know the power consumption. I just note that this DAC does not get very warm. I will leave it powered up unless I plan to not listen for more than a couple of days. Even then the tubes, excepting the Rectifier tube, will last many years, they say.
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Congrats on the Helene DAC. I have the Aries Cerat Essentia Mono amps and today I received the Aries Cerat Ianus Ageto Preamp. I also will be getting the Kassandra 2 Ref DAC and the Aurora Speakers. This will be an all Aries Cerat system and my LAST system. FYI, I am trading my Lampizator Horizon for trhe Kassandra 2 DAC.
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@charles1dad
Yes listening to it never gets old - always puts a smile on my face (the ultimate goal).
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@elrod
Dunno but i just mentioned I had a Helene in another thread, and then I got some of the "you fool" chuckles and snickers. I just smiled and kept on listening...
keep in mind that some people fixate on the cost of components and the disposable income of others. They may know nothing of the performance/sound quality of your Helene (That's besides the point). Write it off as ignorance and envy.
I strongly suspect that your signal chain of Helene-VTL 7.5 preamp-Dartzeel amp sounds fabulous.
Charles
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Dunno but i just mentioned I had a Helene in another thread, and then I got some of the "you fool" chuckles and snickers. I just smiled and kept on listening...
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Maybe it was the deleted post ? never the less some people will B about a winning lottery ticket..
Valuable inputs @tonywinga @elrod … i have a REF5se so it seems -6 probably works for me also…
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@elrod
Don't listen to any of the BS the naysayers may give you - they've never heard it. Just pity the fool.
I have to say naysayers are absent or minimal in number. All comments/feedback that I’ve encountered concerning the Helene DAC has been unequivocally positive.
Charles
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