Stickman451, sorry, speaker choice without taking the amp into consideration will lead to expensive mistakes. If you think otherwise you will be a great resource to your local dealer.
Amp more important than speakers?
The common wisdom seems to be the opposite (at least from speaker makers), but I have tried the many speakers that have come thru my house on lesser amps or my midfi A/V receiver and something was always very wrong, and things often sounded worse than cheap speakers.
On the other hand, I have tried many humble speakers on my my really good amps (& source) and heard really fine results.
Recently I tried my Harbeth SHL5s (& previously my Aerial 10Ts, Piega P10s, and others) on the receiver or even my Onkyo A9555 (which is nice with my 1985 Ohm Walsh 4s, which I consider mid-fi), and the 3 high end speakers sounded boomy, bland, opaque.
But when I tried even really cheap speakers on my main setup (Edge NL12.1 w/tube preamp) I got very nice results
(old Celestion SL6s, little Jensen midfi speakers).
So I don't think it's a waste of resources to get great amplification and sources even for more humble speakers.
My Harbeth SHL5s *really* benefit from amps & sources that are far more expensive than the Harbeths.
Once I had Aerial 10Ts that sounded like new speakers with vocals to die for when I drove them with a Pass X350 to replace an Aragon 8008.
Oh well, thanks for reading my rambling thoughts here...
So I think I would avoid pairing good speakers with lesser amps,
On the other hand, I have tried many humble speakers on my my really good amps (& source) and heard really fine results.
Recently I tried my Harbeth SHL5s (& previously my Aerial 10Ts, Piega P10s, and others) on the receiver or even my Onkyo A9555 (which is nice with my 1985 Ohm Walsh 4s, which I consider mid-fi), and the 3 high end speakers sounded boomy, bland, opaque.
But when I tried even really cheap speakers on my main setup (Edge NL12.1 w/tube preamp) I got very nice results
(old Celestion SL6s, little Jensen midfi speakers).
So I don't think it's a waste of resources to get great amplification and sources even for more humble speakers.
My Harbeth SHL5s *really* benefit from amps & sources that are far more expensive than the Harbeths.
Once I had Aerial 10Ts that sounded like new speakers with vocals to die for when I drove them with a Pass X350 to replace an Aragon 8008.
Oh well, thanks for reading my rambling thoughts here...
So I think I would avoid pairing good speakers with lesser amps,
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Either course will can/will be successful if one makes educated decisions/choices, in ones equipment purchases, as I said earlier. None of us are trying to launch a rocket to the moon, or perform brain surgery, here. Just to satisfy our ears and minds. Some have much higher standards than others, but the goal is still the same, and very attainable. |
This thread made the statement that the amp was more important in regard to financial resources, or quality as in Class A, B, or C; although it was not stated in that precise manner. Nowhere is the sequence of purchase mentioned. "You talking about a trolley jumping the tracks", this is the best example yet. Why didn't youse guys start a thread titled "Buy speakers first"? |
I dont agree that poor room/speaker synergy is beyond improvement from a better or different amplifier in all cases. The classic example that comes to mind is a booming sound from larger speakers in a small room. It surprises people that a more powerful amp with better bass control can often completely eliminate this problem. |
mofimadness4,690 posts06-25-2011 2:35pmI'm from the speaker first camp. Find what you really like the sound of and build up from there, around the speaker. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ With the new addition of a 4 inch wide band paired witha 8 inch wide band, has caused me to RE-Calculate my system component equation. Amplification 10% source 8% Wires/cables 2% Thats leaves the rest of the equation to The speakers at a wopping 80% Yep you read correctly, 80%,,might as well join my mantra **speakers are everything. And I'm being generous with 10% amp 8% source. Speakers are The Critical Component. In my experience a tube amp = a tube amp SETs and PP are near equal(minus the 300 B tube which are meant for Tele industry) Source = source(Phono has a slight advantage) Speaker = speaker,,...each is completely different from the next. All xover types are near equal = yes true All stats/panels near equal = agree All horns similiar = agree All wide bands near equal = false. |
keithtexas316 posts10-10-2021 12:32pm4" wideband and 8" wideband reminds me of the Tom Evans Model 1 from 2013? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Evans was on to something,,,yet he did not know it. The only way to intergrate a 8+$ is if both are of near equal midrange. 1st we start with the 8,, get that right 1st,, then we find a sutiable 4.. a 6 won't fly,,, too much mid...a 4 is perfection. Both have to be 10/10 on midrange, Either dual DL's or Dual TB's. Can't mix the 2. TB 2145+ TB2141 = perfection. But I'ma DL kind of guy DLVX8+ DL4 btw the seller just wrote, the 4 is not avalaible due to a EU supplier of that tiny 3 inch yellow paper mix cone,, not avaliable. IMHO the TB2145+TB2141, near same fidelity. Tom Evans wasa genius. That guy had it right. I made the discovery by sheer luck,,it was weeks away from being shipped to a relative over seas, and would never see thae DL4 ever again. One day, the thought occured,, the yellow6 did not blend/mesh/intergrated,,,but what about the 4 sitting 6 months on my shelf....worth a shot,,ain't gonna cost me anything...hate to give itt away ....BINGO... Diana Krall 's poetic magic now just oouzesss out the speaker system. Finally hit on high fidelity. Had my tech geek not stood at the door with a unimpressed look on his face after the new Mundorf xover upgrade to the Thors...I'd never have embarked on this WBer + xover speaker journey...//there's an old saying seek and you will find...if you dobn't seek, you;'ll never ever find.... Speakers are everything in a system. amps are a dime a dozen. |
Just looked at the TE Model 1. Interesting,,but not same as my WB8+WB4 Its my understanding no one, as far as I know,,has come up with this pairing..Unless you can find a link to show me anyone else who has paired a 8+4 wide band. I am the 1st. Its in my ancestral genes to tinker and expolre outside the box. Have to thank my tech geek for stirring up my wondering and searching. In many ways he also is a original. He builds, designs amps, Waiting on his emails now, about my new latest design. I told him to shout out to the new orleans audiophile community about my new *Holy Grail* speaker design. |
For the last 50 years or so there's been the tubes/transistors debate. I really do wonder how that can be and speakers more important than the amplifier given how willing people are to debate that topic. If you don't like tubes, you'll get a solid state amp, right? And vice versa. One thing is sure: if the amp isn't bringing home the bacon, there's no way the speaker will make up for it. |