Aftermarket Fuses
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Are you kidding, Mitch? You've been posting in these threads long enough. I'm assuming that you've read all of the responses, right? How many naysayers have told us what we can't hear, or that what we are hearing is nothing more than expectation bias? Hell man, they even tell us that when they haven't used the item at issue for themselves. Frank |
If you "claim" to hear things (nobody actually knows what anybody else hears) that others don't, you should be able to handle the criticism especially if you use extreme hyperbole in those claims. The difference between an SR fuse and, for example, a Littelfuse IS dramatic...one works perfectly as designed, from a company with a stellar reputation for safety and consistency and costs 2 bucks or so, and the other costs 100 to 150 bucks for reasons nobody can explain...except sales profit. Now that "sounds" different for sure! Also, I was talking about imagined valve stem covers that would be a joke if 10 times as expensive as standard, not racing stripes which have obvious performance benefits...everybody knows that... |
But let me try to be serious for a moment, which is very difficult in light of some of the comments here ( yes I am guilty as well) but nevertheless. Nobody here is exhorting anybody to rush out and buy boutique fuses, unless I missed a post. Nobody forced me to try one, nobody forced me to keep them. I read, I dismissed some of the over the top claims but thought I would give them a try. I am a grown adult( sometimes) and more than capable of making my own,mind up on whether to spend $150 or not! I perceived an improvement, I was happy, this I reported, nothing more. I would NEVER tell anybody here that they HAVE to try them. I assume others are adult enough to likewise make their own minds up on how they spend their money. |
There is a word for people telling you what they think, its called: hear·sayˈhirˌsā/noun
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@oregonpapa @uberwaltz The knife cuts both ways, which is why this issue will never be sorted out. You are both correct, folks who believe the science will not support any change in sonics, or any perceivable change in sonics, related to fuses, wire directionality, or certain other tweaks, do indeed tend to write-off perceptions to the contrary as expectation bias or confirmation bias; while folks who believe the sonic changes (or improvements) are readily evident, tend to write-off those who don’t hear the improvements as having poor hearing, poor systems, or both. It seems best that everyone simply march to their own drum on this stuff. I have no problem reading about what others hear in their systems, or even which side of the fence they fall on related to the value of aftermarket fuses, etc., but I do not see any value in people telling others what they should be hearing or not hearing. Not everyone here seems to be tolerant of opposing opinions so the result is a perpetual argument and a colossal waste of time, although occasionally amusing. |
Right now I'm "marching to my own drummer." I'm listening to Peggy Lee singing "Fever" burned to a CD directly from the master tape. For those familiar with the tune, there's a bass drum at the beginning that goes ... "You give me fever .. BOOM, BOOM ... fever all through the night ... BOOM, BOOM ... That bass drum, as well as Peggy Lee's voice, is right there in the room. Frank |
@mitch2 , Hi, This is not a so called attack on you, however, I really ignore posting a lot anymore, you see, a few year's ago, audiogon was a educational place to learn without expressing differences of opinion, back then we simply would say nothing if we read something we did not understand or believe. I would like to ask you and the other's here that are the nay sayers a few questions. What state of the art cable's have you tried?, do you own any state of the art cable's?, do you own any of the boutique fuses mentioned on this thread? Have you owned boutique receptacle's such as furutech NCF rhodium duplexes?, Have you ever owned State of the art power cord's? Etc..... here is a statement, what if I told you I never heard a component that was a more substantial sound improvement than my cable's?, you see, I own State of the art etc.. such as mentioned on this post, it is really silly at best or bluntly put, ignorant to nay say anything unless you own it, or have owned it over substantial period of time. |
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What state of the art cable's have you tried? do you own any state of the art cable's?Not sure, I have owned multiple cables retailing for over $1K each and some over $2K. There are always more expensive cables - who is the judge that defines "state of the art" or do you simply mean "most expensive?" do you own any of the boutique fuses mentioned on this thread?I have HiFi Tuning regular, supreme and silverstar, SR Red, and Furutech fuses here. Have you owned boutique receptacle's such as furutech NCF rhodium duplexes?Currently using Acme silver-plated, Porter Ports, and Furutech GTX. Have you ever owned State of the art power cord's?Multiple cords by Furutech and Neotech and I also currently own an Isoclean Auto Focus cord. Etc..... here is a statement, what if I told you I never heard a component that was a more substantial sound improvement than my cable's?, you see, I own State of the art etc.. such as mentioned on this post, it is really silly at best or bluntly put, ignorant to nay say anything unless you own it, or have owned it over substantial period of time.That is why I try to speak to only items I have owned and what I heard from them in my system. What is your point??? |
It's a fuse, and if it is functioning as designed, to protect the component, it will have zero impact on the tonality or performance of any audio component, regardless of what people think they hear in "premium" fuses. Standard Littelfuse products are all you need, the rest are simply a scam to sell you things. You're welcome. |
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We get a lot of 'show me the measurements' requests to what we hear. We are not engineers or whatever it is you need to be to have measurements. But we do trust our ears. Then some say you cannot trust your ears. So I thought this had a nice reasonable comment on how this gentleman feels. I think he has some credentials to say what he does. At about 9:30 in the video this man states how he feels if you cannot measure something yet still hear it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grzoqEb2KMk&feature=youtu.be |
Hello guys, from my experience, simply cleaning the fuses contact points and the plus with acetone can reap very noticeable improvements. Treble becomes more airy and bass more defined and visceral. Therefore I am in no doubt that fuses can make an appreciable audible difference. However, the pricing is ridiculous. If these greedy manufacturers weren’t so stupid and priced their products reasonably, they would sell a lot more and some of this resistance against such tweaks would fade away as more people would witness the audible difference. K |
xtinct11 posts01-18-2019 6:23amHello guys, from my experience, simply cleaning the fuses contact points and the plus with acetone can reap very noticeable improvements. Treble becomes more airy and bass more defined and visceral. Therefore I am in no doubt that fuses can make an appreciable audible difference. However, the pricing is ridiculous. If these greedy manufacturers weren’t so stupid and priced their products reasonably, they would sell a lot more and some of this resistance against such tweaks would fade away as more people would witness the audible difference. >>>>Don’t worry so much. The aftermarket fuse makers are doing pretty well. More than 80,000 sold and counting. |
If these greedy manufacturers weren’t so stupid and priced their products reasonably, they would sell a lot more and some of this resistance against such tweaks would fade away as more people would witness the audible difference.While I kind of agree that the prices do appear to be steep I really do not think it would make much difference how they priced them tbh. Even if the SR Blue was priced at $50 say instead of $150 there would still be plenty of naysayers claiming a $2 Littelfuse is all you need! Might they actually sell more? Possible. Would the revenue they recover exceed that if priced higher? Doubtfull imho. |
To the OP and Oregonpapa....I'm going to be ordering the SR blue fuse to go into my Auralic Vega G2 streamer...and was wondering what specific piano pieces you listen to for your comparisons. I'm going to look for these in Tidal to do a comparison versus my stock fuse. In regards to the fuses, I was deciding between the Audio Magic Beeswax Ultimate and the SR blue, but there doesn't seem to be much written on the Audio Magic...and the SR blue is less expensive..... |
