Acoustics experts - a little help please


Hey all,

I have 9 foot ceilings and I sit in a 9 foot equilateral triangle with my speakers. Do I need to treat the ceiling? Absorption or defraction? I'm trying to get a deeper more 3D soundstage.Speakers are 46" from the front wall which is treated with absorption and defraction. 

Thanks! 

maprik

Most important point, which I assume you have delt with, but just in case - Do you have a recording that has the information needed to create a holographic image? Most recordings do not actually have this information. I use an Opus 3 recording of "Depth of Image", a compilation of exceptionally recorded miscellaneous vocal, small orchestra, solo guitar, etc. The booklet or record jacket tells you what you will/should hear in a well set up system. I first heard this played over a modest, but well set up, system. A group of 4 musicians and you felt you could walk in amongst them and join in. 

That said, I have a set up similar in size (9'x10'x9'). My speakers are a bit further out into the room (6'). I located my chair with bass nodes/nulls and high frequencies in mind. I have no sonic room treatments or bass traps, etc, but I do have drapery, big Persian rug, bookcases, etc. I have box speakers and do toe them in a bit. It all works quite well. 

Your question re ceiling treatment, I don't think so unless you have an up tilted frequency response you can't deal with in other ways. I looked at your photos and I could imagine all of that equipment on the wall behind the speakers might interfere with imaging potential more than ceiling reflections. 

 

To OP

As posted above, the recording must have the sense of depth and height. IMO, if the recording has the sense and you know it but cannot hear that, then i think it must be your speakers?? 

What i have observed is that I have a set of speakers that images very well, BUT i also have a set of speakers that cannot image with depth and height. 

so do not disregard that speakers also play a role in depth/height projection

Yes, you need to treat the ceiling, especially between speaker and listener.  It can make old home theaters sound like they have atmos.  Also, we can somewhat compensate for lack of treatments elsewhere here.  If you are having resonance/room mode issues you should consider 4" thick panels.

Made a few simple changes in moving equipment below the height of my speakers and moved my coffee table away. Also removed the top shelves of my equipment stands since they aren’t in use now so the stands are more skeletal. I also moved my TV back as far as I could and have it covered with a defraction panel. Unfortunately i can’t move my TT shelf that is bolted to the wall studs. Nevertheless, the results are positive. Listening to Birds by Dominique Fils-Aimé i think the bass is moved back a little into the soundstage with the vocal a few feet in front. Other interesting percussion sounds cime from behind the vocals as well. It’s a good start for 0$. Now thinking about ceiling treatments. 

Treating ceiling is good, however, with 9' ceiling somewhat less important. In the end acoustic treatments can only do so much, the equipment and recording provide the soundstage/imaging, room treatments simply allow for realizing  full potential of the equipment and recording.