ABX testing with AQ Dragon power cords


I was talking to my dealer about how good the system sounds that he sold me. I mentioned that I had tried some new speaker/interconnect cables from a local amp/cable manufacturer & both I and the company boss agreed that there was little discernible sound difference between his cables & mine. He couldn’t understand why. He also told me that my room acoustics were amazing, top notch. He’d like me to bring my cables (& his) to his listening room & we’ll compare there. That’s for next week.

My dealer said that in his 40 years this has never happened & he was ready to rise to the challenge. He said he would send me a couple of AQ Hurricane power cords to try on my amp/pre and I’d be amazed. I said why bother, send some Dragons. He told me to connect them to my amp & preamp & I should be amazed within 10 seconds of comparing. Today I received a Dragon HC & Source power cord. I listened to some music I’m very familiar with through my Lumin T3 playing FLAC files from the attached USB. Then I swapped the amp & pre to the Dragons and listened to the same songs. No difference that I could tell. So I redid the test, one song at a time, switching back & forth. Still no difference.

I invited two neighbors over (separately) and asked them to look at my FLAC library & choose a song that they knew well. I played that for them with both sets of power cords. One said he couldn’t hear any difference between the two. The other said that one (mine) sounded like it had slightly more treble, the other (Dragon) sounded like more bass. I played a third version (turned out it was mine but he didn’t know) and he said that was the bass version. He was wrong & admitted that the differences were so small that he really couldn’t choose between the two.

I called my dealer & he asked if the difference was earth shattering. I told him no & he asked how that was possible when he just sent similar cables to another customer last week with a similarly priced system as mine & that guy said that the SQ improved 50% and was ecstatic. I said that that guy must have decided already that he was going to buy them and determined that for that money they must improve the sound. My dealer said that either my ears are those a near dead 95 year old or his last 40 years experience have been a sham. I suggested that he was selling & demoing a product to people that had a propensity to believe it worked & therefore it worked for them. I offered to have him drive here (4 hour drive) and listen for himself & I’ll swap cables while his mind is blown. We may get there yet.

I hesitate to post a photo of my listening room as experience tells me that those that are strong proponents of cables will pick it apart and blame a myriad of other crap  rather than recognizing that the 3 of us heard no difference on a high resolving system situated in a room would good acoustics... but here goes.

 

McIntosh MC462/C2700, Pure Fidelity Harmony TT, Gold Note PH-10/PSU-10 phono stage, Lumin T3/Sbooster, Sonus Faber Amati G5 speakers, Sonus Faber Gravis V sub.

dwcda

OP COMPONENTS MAKE HUGE DIFFERENCE

CABLES POWER CORDS DONT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IF IT DOES ITS THEIR IMAGINATION  

 

You posted a ton of it no doubt. You called me a liar, misstated what I'd posted repeatedly and I addressed every question, every lie and still you’re not happy.

Just imagine if I’m right about the identical nature of these cables how much money you’ve wasted.

Yes, let’s. First you refer to my experience as lies yet keep telling this $80k lie even after I corrected you.The Transparent Super speaker cables cost $2,200 and the two pairs of Super XLR cables sell for $1,600 each.

The Dragons sounded the same as these from TakeFive.

You blame my hearing since you have run out of other typical reasons (system not able to resolve, poor acoustics etc). But that would also mean that the owner of the other shop that lent me cables also has poor hearing. I have specifically not mentioned the brand of those cables as he’s a small manufacturer and I don’t want to harm his business. I still have those as well and can take a photo with the brand hidden if you're calling me a liar there as well.

Another possibility that you regularly ignore is that there was no difference to hear.

 

 

My neighbors are as able to hear discernible differences in sound as you are. 

that I doubt 

 

For some the entire premise of these threads when someone describes how two sets of cables sound the same is to diminish their experience. 
 

Well let’s pick this apart a bit shall we?

you had tested a set of Transparent cables around $80,000 that sounded like your Mogami…simply indistinguishable. And you have just completed the evaluation of AQ Dragon power cords on your amp and preamp that also happened to prove that they’re indistinguishable from your generic power cords, to you and to your neighbors that participated in your abx.
 

The only thing diminished here is your ability to hear the difference. My experience is still good and isn’t diminished. 

No sarcasm. There are no audiophile credentials. My neighbors are as able to hear discernible differences in sound as you are. For some the entire premise of these threads when someone describes how two sets of cables sound the same is to diminish their experience. 

For the record, my dealer told me I should hear a difference in these cables within 10 seconds of playing. He welcomed the idea of asking my neighbors to listen. I welcomed him to come to my house and listen for himself. I can't imagine the reaction here if he can't hear a difference with a blind test, but he's willing to try.

Your reply to my first post here was sarcastic. No one is disrespecting you for the difference of opinion. Don’t play the snowflake card now. 
Your experience is not threatening. You can’t hear what you can’t hear. That’s the end of it. 

You know I’ve read the criticism of ASR and how badly they treat people with different opinions. My goal on posting my experiences here is not to stir up crap and cause trouble. If anything I’m providing a counterpoint. I’m not bashing those that believe power cords make a big difference nor am I demanding that you agree with me. They are valid experiences that support the contention that in some circumstances cables sound the same. But sarcastic posts as I’ve encountered here (audphile1) show that ASR isn’t unique, people don’t like to read experiences that differ from theirs. They find them threatening.

Very nice system.

 

When I put Hurricanes on my system, I was shocked. I had spent a year with Cardas, WireWorld, Transparent,  and a couple others and each would either be vailed or tip the tonal balance one way or another. Definitely, within ten seconds it was obvious my search was over. I have fifty years of experience with the high end… not in my head. 
 

This has been my experience, it does not in any way explain yours.

To add…I explained why having neighbors do the abx is useless in your first post. And repeated some of it here. But anyways…looking forward to your next post. AudioQuest Dragon power cords? Naaah.
Go big or go home. Nordost Odin, Shunyata Omega…I can give you few recommendations.

Proving that either your ear is immune to the differences or your system is just downright amazing and is resistant to any cable changes.

There is a third possibility.

Oh I have no experience with the aq dragon. And I never doubted the fact that you can’t hear the difference. Good to see you have these cables on hand. Proving that either your ear is immune to the differences or your system is just downright amazing and is resistant to any cable changes.
Good for you! Enjoy the mogami! 

There was no noise with my neighbors on the previous post. I said that I had neighbors interested in hearing the difference but my opinion of the sound is all that matters to me as I’m paying for it. Funny thing, you responded that Neighbor blind test is the ultimate one of them all. You get the true ABX blind test using non audiophiles who are not familiar with your system. Now that I had a neighbor listen you say it’s a useless endeavor.

What the dealer said isn’t terribly relevant to the premise that I tested some AQ Dragons with my power cords and heard no difference. As for your doubts that I evaluated these cords, here they are. Your need to not hear opposing experiences is making you look foolish.

 

 

The noise with neighbors in both your posts, the statement you claim the dealer has made, etc I doubt you have evaluated these cables  

It isn’t that you can’t hear the difference. That’s probably the only plausible part of your post.

@krelldog we’re going off of hearsay here. No one knows what the dealer said or if  the dealer even said anything. We’re just reading one side of the story at best. 

It wasn't meant to be sarcastic. When you said "I never heard the AQ Dragon" I misread that as I never heard of the AQ Dragon.

What part of my post is unbelievable? The fact that I heard no difference? Not much I can do to prove that. Or do you dispute the existence of the Dragon cords? I still have them, maybe a photo will do. As for my previous experience with cables I specifically said I swapped some Transparent Super speaker and XLR cables. No where near $80k.

I get that it's difficult to read experiences that don't match yours, but that doesn't make them any less real.

 

"I called my dealer & he asked if the difference was earth shattering. I told him no & he asked how that was possible when he just sent similar cables to another customer last week with a similarly priced system as mine & that guy said that the SQ improved 50% and was ecstatic"

The fact that your dealer stands behind another customer who states his system improved 50% because of the addition of a power cord....leads me to believe that the customer and the dealer are full of crap.

Power cords certainly can make a difference..but the notion that it will make your system 50% better is laughable.

@dwcda I’m going to let the sarcasm in your response slide. 
I’m well aware of what the AQ Dragons are. I also remember your adventure with a $80,000 Transparent cables where you also heard absolutely no difference.

 

So here’s my take on it…you either can’t hear the difference, which is totally fine…not everyone can, or this is a 🐂 💩 story. Cause it reads like one. With your neighbors helping you discern the difference between generic power cord and AQ Dragon. Lots of noise in these posts. So personally, I’m gonna call 🐂 💩 

 

AQ Dragon is the top of the line power cord from Audioquest. My neighbors both have ears, 2 channel systems of their own and have spent time in my house listening to my gear. But you're right, they didn't show me their "audiophile" credentials.

 

I never heard the AQ Dragon but the Thunder, Tornado and Hurricane all made my system sound less coherent, with fatter bottom end and congestion in the soundstage. I have no AQ power cables now although I use AQ Diamond USB cable that I like between my streamer and DAC. 
 

If you can’t hear the difference, then you can’t hear the difference. Inviting non audiophile neighbors to assess the changes in sound of a system they are not familiar with and aren’t even trained to hear differences or be able to assess things like imaging and soundstaging is a completely useless endeavor. 
 

 

I have Mogami cables made by Take Five Audio in Canada. The speaker wire are Mogami 3104, XLRs are Mogami 2549 & the power cords are Powerline 10 with Furutech connectors. All cables are quite well made and I’ve been using them for about 5 years.