No...
I am working on getting an experienced person to do it. This needs pro tools. |
AL:
I forgot...a local pal of mine has lent me his Bryston BDP2 for a couple months.
I will let you know how that pans out when I set it up and put it thru the paces.
For me though, anything that cant do DSD128 is a non-starter. |
Wisnon, that is impresive, so your saying you do your own mods? |
Matt: do search on ebay for "display tubes"
AL,
I use modded SqBox Duet, MacMini, MB Air, CD transports, SACD player, SqBox Touch.
I will likely get an Aries and mod that heavily, and perhaps a Caps server to do HQP DSD upsampling. |
Steve,
I can undterstand that. Thanks. |
4orreal - I cannot list them here. I do business with some of these guys. Basically all PC-based servers I have heard and most Linux ones.
Thanks,
Steve N.
Empirical Audio |
Hi,
I just want to add my observation of USB cable which may be benefit for all.
I use YFS USB cable from my Mac Mini year 2012 to Offramp 5 and SPDIF cable from Offramp 5 to Audio Note DAC mod to level 4.1
The sound quality of YFS data only-Reference USB cable is much better than Oyaide Continental 5s Silver USB cable in my system.
Because Audiophile USB cable is more heavy than stock USB cable. The heavy weight of USB cable makes too much force or stress on contact point in USB socket and has worst affect to sound quality. Then I do hanging the USB cable so that there is less or normal force or stress to contact point in USB socket. The sound quality improves a lot in term of transparency, focus, halo-graphic and much better clear vivid mid range sound.
This is my observation. Please try and report back of your result. It is an big improvement without any payment. |
Totally unrelated question for you tube guys;
I need some help. I'm in the process of adding some audiophile related decor accessories to my almost complete listening room. I'd love a bunch of no longer functioning, used up output tubes:
6C33C, 300B, 845, PX-25, KT-66/88, giant Kronzilla tubes, etc.
I'm glad to pay something reasonable plus shipping.
If anyone has any, or knows where I can get them please PM me.
Sorry to hijack my own thread. Lol.
Now back to dac's and servers. |
wisnon, what are you useing for play back? |
"My Mac Mini beats practically every server except for the Antipodes"
Steve: Can you name the servers that were beaten by your Mac Mini? |
I too agree with Steve Nugent. Servers are too new and they are constantly changing and being outdated quickly. My personal experience demonstrates the benefit of each mod for your server may pay dividends based on how the DAC (USB)/Renderer (Ethernet) implements the input hardware. The better the dac interface design, the less audible benefit gained from improvements upstream.
I have no experience with Antipodes but value Steve's insight, which has been consistently beneficial over the years.
Over on Jplay.eu a discussion regarding a to b comparison between a dual server (Control and playback) with Windows 2012 + Jplay + Audio Phil OS Optimizer vs. the $17,000 Aurender (which was offered at a discounted price) demonstrated marginal to major benefits on all fronts favoring the lesser expensive home build server.
The server for me is a continuous experience where I have changed and modified the server over the years at an expense well over most of these commercial servers mentioned in this thread. Honestly, I feel I should have just purchased an Aurender or Antepodes. However, to do so would limit my ability to adapt to new technologies.
Speaking with folks over in Asia, they have moved away from the sever altogether.
I personally believe part of the reason why Steve's Mac Mini sounds as good as it does is how well the ODSE implements the USB interface. Waversa also does this extremely well. Their Ethernet input is a magnitude better over their USB input. Because of this, I am favoring an internal Ethernet to I2S on the ODSX. Steve's external Ethernet to I2S with linear PS could be a major gain for dacs with I2s input.
With these dacs, the sound signature settings of Audiophile optimizer creates no sonic difference in my system. The USB cable was minimal change. $40 switch PS to Battery PS to LPS - minimal change.
My recommendation is this: find the dac that you enjoy most. Then if the USB interface is well designed, you will save substantial cash avoiding other improvements. If not, consider an Offramp 6 (YES, Six - it is coming soon) or Sonicweld Diverter before you make improvements in the server. |
Matt - depends on the server. My Mac Mini beats practically every server except for the Antipodes.
Steve N.
Empirical Audio |
Mitch2 - yes, the improvement is the lower jitter master clock in the OR5.
Steve N.
Empirical Audio |
Matt, THEY are all computers and from what I recall Aurender was not even a prticularly good mobo.
Some like Antipodes are (Vortex box) Linux based, others are windows/OSX based. Not sure if any are Android or iOS based...good as they are "light" OS, but so is Linux if done right.
No one is going to write an OS from scartch unless they are a major like an HP. Even HP dropped WebOS which they bought from Palm for $2b (less than 3 years later).Too many $$$$ to maintain constant development.
The best bet is modified/stripped to the Core Linux/or Tablet OS and tweaked for audio. So light as possible general purpose OS that is cthen optimized for the limited purpose of Audio playback/basic networking infrastructure and perhaps Internet access to gather meta-data. Then on top have an optimiser mode to shut down non-essential processes during playback....this includeds even data retrieval from other than quiet/simple ram buffer!
Or so the gurus online claim....
Its an impossi |
Mitch2,
My responses are out of synch with your questions because I am currently living/working in the Middle East so there is anywhere from a 9 to 12 hour time difference, so please bear with me. The Antipodes requires a hard wire Ethernet connection. Once connected you control it wirelessly over the network using an Android or Apple device. I use an iPad. You can stream with the DX, but I do not believe you can download from iTunes or any other source directly to the DX hard drive. I could be wrong on this, but I have not seen a way to do it. When I download I use my laptop and then drag the files over the network to the DX. Let me know if you have any other questions |
Modded Mac Mini, Music Vault, "Clone" Music Server, The Memory Player, YFS, Baetis and CAPS servers are all essentially modified PC's.
Ketchum and others who use these, please offer opinions as compared to going with a design specific music server like the Antipodes, Aurender or TotalDac. I get that you can tweak a computer to any purpose, but I'm having a hard time believing that any level of modification to a computer will sound better then a unit designed from the ground up for the sole purpose of top SQ. Or am I totally off on this thought? |
HChil,
You can PM me at Audiocircle, Compaudiophile or Audioshark dot org to follow up. |
Thanks Steve, I appreciate the information. It seems your experience is that the Hex can be improved on by using the S/PDIF input through the Off-Ramp vs. the Hex's onboard USB. It would be an easier decision if the USB on the Hex was crappy, or even mediocre but most say it is one of the better implementations on a DAC so I have to think hard about whether to try to improve it with a different input, or to simply upgrade the DAC. I suspect part of the improvement through the Off-Ramp is the additional clocks before the DAC?
I am interested to see if the DX straight into the Hex is an improvement over the mini, and then I will give the DAC issue some more thought. For the money, I may be just as well off to upgrade the DAC but I have some stuff I should sell first. I understand the front end of your ODSE is pretty much equivalent to running a USB through the Off-Ramp and then into a really good DAC. I will consider that, but one step at a time, for now. |
Mitch2 - the only thing I can recommend in your situation is the Off-Ramp 5 USB converter/Dynamo power supply and my BNC-BNC cable driving the Hex S/PDIF input. These together cost $2318.00. Just the OR5 would probably improve things though at $1299.00. Money back guarantee on all, less shipping.
Steve N.
Empirical Audio |
matt, it does seem like I opened a can of technology we all can learn from, just saying, being able to use state of the art balanced analog interconnect's that I already own is a must!, forget the usb cable method, I do not plan to sale a revolutionary cable that I own, that my friend is very funny! |
Thanks Mrpaul, I am glad to hear the DX plays all formats since the dealer loaded some hi-rez music before he shipped the DX unit to me, and the music in the outboard drive attached to my mini is stored in AIFF format.
I am really looking forward to hearing the "USB Audio 5V Off" output from the DX to my Metrum Hex, which uses its own internal PS for USB. I currently run the USB cable from my mini into an ifi Power but only come out with the signal side of the cable thus removing computer power from the USB cable. After the ifi Power, I run the signal only USB cable into the ifi filter, which I attach to the Hex.
Audioengr, short of switching from the Hex to the ODSE (which I am still considering), do any of your products enhance the connection between an Antipodes device and a DAC like the Hex, which has internal USB power? |
Oh man this is good stuff!!!!! |
Mrpaul - if you are using the S/PDIF output on the Antipodes, changing to USB out and a good DAC interface will make all the difference. The Antipodes will sound entirely different. If you have the latest power supply upgrades, it will be really good.
Steve N.
Empirical Audio |
Hi Mrpaul, I do have a few operational questions;
1. Do you connect your Antipodes DX to your home internet router using an ethernet cable,
2. What is the best/fastest method of transferring files you already own to the DX, and
3. Have you been successful in downloading music directly from iTunes and/or other sources?
Thanks |
Mitch2 - I have no experience playing AIFF with Antipodes, only Mac Mini. It is just as bad as ALAC on a Mini. Like listening through a tunnel IME.
Steve N.
Empirical Audio |
Mitch2,
You are correct. The Antipodes DX rips CDs as uncompressed FLAC files.
For existing files or new files ripped via another device you just copy and paste them to the Antipodes solid state drive via the network. It's all pretty straight forward. I copied over compressed FLAC, wav and DSD files and they all played with no issues. |
Wisnon, mmmm, you are an asset to me, thankyou, I will follow up with you to help me build, you seem to know quite alot of the now and future of digital, this is a great compliment from me to you, I really cannot use much from others within other topics, I welcome all that is willing to teach me about the new formats available, thankyou gentleman. |
For the DSD-heads out there, Linux does not yet have a driver that can handle DSD256 and above. That means that for the HQ Player upsampling crowd, this is a no-no for now. Windows is the only way to go.
Windows 2012 with Audiophile Optimiser is Core mode is Exceedingly good and now that people are getting this to work with HQP, many have found their Nirvana.
AL, a streamer just streams data, no storgae. Add on storage and it becomes a Server. That is why Aries will become a Server with the addition of the USB HDD input. It will also stream from a NAS and do the Tiday, radio thing. it will not rip CDs like many Servers do, including the expensive buut phenomenal Memory player made by the tempermental genious Mark Porzilli.
The MemoryPlayer has lots of proprietary tech like Read until right(RUR), IDEAS (jitter reduction), D2D, 64bit playback and Jukebox.
http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue65/memoryplayer.htm
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Wisnon, you mentioned something about Aries mods? What do you hear -- I'd love to know! |
I was seriously considering the Antipodes DXe and then DV but the price kept going up with the new version to more than I wanted to pay. So I decided for the money that I would go for the Aries into my Lampizator L4G4. I'm having a blast with it, especially with Tidal. A definite improvement over my CD player running into the Lampi via coax. I'm just getting started ripping my CD collection and playing around with sample DSD downloads. So far I'm just copying everything to a portable hard drive and plugging that into the Aries USB port, but will probably set up a NAS server soon.
I've saw in John Darko's review that he gave an Antipodes DXe an edge over the Aries. But for $1600 you can't go wrong with the Aries! |
Steve, one of the questions I had about the Antipodes unit was how their "Uncompressed Flac Paranoid-mode" format, which is standard from the internal ripper, would sound compared to the uncompressed AIFF format I use with my mini. It is my understanding that FLAC is a compressed lossless format and I have read forum discussions with folks on both sides of whether the "uncompressed" characterization (i.e., "Uncompressed Flac Paranoid-mode") can be accurately applied to FLAC. Users of the Antipodes devices don't seem to be concerned about it so it must sound good. Any thoughts?
I was told the Antipodes will also store other formats but if you use the internal ripper you get FLAC. To store and play the other formats, you apparently need to download them from the internet or rip them on another device and transfer. I will have some things to learn when my unit arrives later this week. |
Streamers used with USB or S/PDIF outs should be Linux-based, not Windows IME. The difference in SQ between FLAC and wav goes away with Linux and a good CODEC.
The big advantage of USB out is that you don't rely on the clock in the server.
Steve N.
Empirical Audio |
The Totaldac Server is so far beyond any computer source or transport that I have ever tried. You need a WiFi Router, NAS, Ipad, and you are set. Vincent's latest sets of software are insanely good. This should be on your short list, no doubt.
It also streams, so for those that are into this, he has you covered here also. It's only limitation is that it does not do double DSD, DXD. Only up to DSD 64 (currently). |
As I stated in my previous message I have had the Antipodes DX for approximately 3 months. I am using it with an Auralic Vega DAC. While I believe this is a very a good DAC for the money, I also realize it is not playing in the major leagues. Because of that I have been following this thread with great interest since its inception as a new DAC is my next planned purchase.
Before I get into how it sounds I need to talk about a few of the features. The DX uses a Linux based media server called Vortex Box. Setup is straight forward and the Vortex Box recognized the Vega with no issues. I use my iPad and an app called IPeng 8 to control the server. IPeng 8 is intuitive and easy to use. The DX rips CDs as uncompressed FLAC files directly to the hard drive. It takes approximately 15 – 20 minutes to rip a CD. You can play music while the CD is being ripped. A really nice feature is there are two USB digital out connections. One is labelled “USB Audio 5V On” and the other is “USB Audio 5V Off”. As I expected the “USB Audio 5V Off” connection sounded considerably better. The only downside I have found is there does not appear to be an easy way to create play lists.
For perspective, prior to the DX I was using an off shelf laptop with JRivers 20. I disabled many of the PCs features based on internet guidance to improve the sound quality. I know many of you are using a modified Mac mini and are looking for the deltas, unfortunately I cannot provide them.
Out of the box the DX sounds pretty bad. There is a tremendous amount of detail, but the sound is lean and there is no bass. I didn’t keep track of break in time, but after 200 hours you are going to have a very good idea of where you are heading…and from my perspective it’s all good. In my system the significant improvements are as follows:
• Resolution increased significantly
• There is a phenomenal increase in bass information and the associated musical foundation
• Mids moved forward and the soundstage deepened
• Instruments and vocals pop out of what seems like a totally black background
• I do not hear a significant improvement in treble information, but I believe that is an age related issue
• Many files became listenable and enjoyable that previously I had given up on due to poor sound quality
• Transparency improved even though I did not think it was possible
• The overall presentation is more neutral, but there is no listener fatigue, none
Having said all that the biggest improvement is the increase in clarity and realism. I don’t know of any other way to describe it. I have heard high resolution systems, but this is different. It sucks you in and doesn’t let go. It has me totally rethinking the need for DSD. I can honestly say that no other piece of hardware or wire I have purchased has led to this level of improvement, not even close.
I will be interested to see how the DX compares to the Mac Mini. I believe the DX will still be a significant improvement. I also wonder if the improvements will be as substantial with a superior DAC such as the Empirical Audio. I am looking forward to the reviews on this thread with great interest as they will guide my next DAC purchase.
In closing I need to say that I have no affiliation with Antipodes Audio and all the above is based on what I hear in my system. As I’ve gotten older I have become more and more skeptical of new products and the hype that goes with them, but in this case I truly believe we have a breakthrough product. Yes, the price will drop over time and the quality will improve, but you have to jump on the train at some time. I’m glad I jumped on when I did. If anyone has any questions I will do my best to try to answer them.
Regards |
I myself like the idea of a streamer that is NOT computer audio into a dac, though they are similiar, but not the same!,a streamer has storage like computer audio, however, a streamer is like internet radio too? |
Bryston is a good brand and reasonable price. - I was impressed with the quality of sound when paired with the ODSE. Much cheaper than my highly invested CAPS server.
"Computer Audio Design - not available in the US. You can get them, but import only. Usb only for Input. Probably in the same class as the ODSE. But as long as it doesn't have a solid US presence, I'm hesitant to look further."
-They make a great USB cable. I am unfamiliar with their dac, but I do not believe they make a server.
***Regarding servers - the interface design of the dac and how this is implemented goes a *Very* long way to eliminating any sonic issues created by the server. In other words, the benefits generated by using LPS, OS optimizer programs, quality USB cables have benefits of diminishing returns.
"After a multiple USB cable trial, I found galvanic isolated interface greatly reduces the sonic differences between cables. Although there remains a difference between extremes comparing a USB 2.0 generic USB printer cable to my preferred Vertere Pulse-R 1.5 meter USB cable, the difference is muted demonstrating subtle differences. The Pulse-R removes a slight course texturing or hash bringing the overall soundstage into focus."
At $1800 this cable paid dividends when used with the EMM DAC2x. When I asked their engineer why they did not have galvanic isolation, he believe it would be prohibitively expensive. ODSE (and ODSX) with XMOS USB interface will have galvanic isolation. Allnic and Waversa are two dacs with this implementation.
Empirical Audio new Ethernet to I2S converter (either internal dac implementation or and external unit with a linear power supply) will eliminate the server and its associated issues. |
My list is by no means complete. I'm just learning as I go. Any other server suggestions are welcome. Please throw a descriptive blurb in as I did to say what it does, what it is and what it isn't.
Thanks all! |
Guys the Music Vault servers are also outstanding. He is willing to do custom builds in them for various inputs and outputs. He even offers an A/D converter to get a digital rip of your analog. I've heard it and it should be part of this list. PJ at Antipodes is really trying to get his units into stores. |
Hi Matt, would Briston PDP-2 be part of the server list?
G. |
I am tired of cd's in general, all the skipping etc.., etc..., unlike most here, I am tring to build to the best standard I can afford, and then ride off into the sunset, I have a way's to go, I have to get better speaker's, the streamer I want, and a few this and that. |
Hi Matt, It took me two year's and $4,000.00 to modd a Krell 700cx, I know it's old, but my amp is new inside and out, and modded, so no, I do not need that kind of one box solution that includes and amplifier. |
Matt,
A-L wants the Lumin with ANALOG volume control.
I agree that Devialet with AIR streaming built in is the most "one box" solution out there as it even has power amps at the end. Streamer/Dac/Integrated amp all in one box. Very attractive bling box too.
Matt, what no Laufer teknik MEMORY Player?
http://www.thememoryplayer.net/ |
Audiolabyrinth - don't both LUMIN (to your exact needs) and Divialet (complete, including an amp) both give you exactly that?
Do they make an ampless Divialet? |
Thanks Wisnon for clarifying. Yes, the Aeris is a server in that it has its own native control software to access, manage and organize the music files. To me, that is the defining characteristic of a server (no matter if the files are stored internally or remotely on the net).
The units I listed all have native control software. They are all servers.
Steve's net access solution is exceptional, but does not incorporate any control software. It's a high quality audiophile solution alternative to USB, spdif or aes as I understand it. Steve, please correct me if I'm wrong.
As I said, the Aeris is revolutionary. First affordable unit of its kind.
Keep us updated Wisnon. |
Thankyou matt for allowing us to talk about streamer's, Thankyou Wison for your continous contribution, and audioengr, Guidocorona, and many other's, It is my task to get a balanced analog out full volume control streamer to run direct to amplification if I have to waite a long time, my entire time in this hobby, I have alway's run a one box solution, may go through many to get tonal balance and transparency, and the ever so important sound stage presatation that is incredible, sometime's the most exspensive and so called state of the art is not what it's billed to be on my system, like now, I have a tube cd-player that beat out player's that costed many times the price, no, it might not be a complete one box solution for connecting other equipment, but is run's direct to amplification none the less, and the cool thing is I can roll tubes to get a more profound sound, like wison's referal of the 12ax7 mullard 10 M, and 12au7 10 m tubes, cbs ect... |
Matt,
The Aries will also play from a connected USB HDD, so its can be a complete Server!!! The app is great and there are several tweaks that can can done.
I will let you know how the modders get on. I am expecting one to be a slam dunk! |
Regarding music servers, here is a list of the ones I am considering and have learned about, with quick little blurbs of what I see as the advantages and disadvantages (totally all IMO):
CAPS Server - probably a great product. I would imagine it comes out of a shop very similar to Steve's; audiophiles of passion. It is based on the Intel NUC, I'm thinking its a short lived product. And very DIY. Could be great for some, but not for me.
YFS - a windows based server designed for high end use. It's essentially a windows computer Moded to the gills for audiophile performance, in both form and function. Probably sounds awesome and has Flexibility. But in the end it will either need to morph into a true dedicated unit or disappear. It's high end DIY. But for, it's probably amongst the top tier of what's available.
Moded Mac Mini - Mac DIY. External power supply and other mods. It's great and is a terrific inexpensive entry. Again, once the dedicated server gear hits mainstream the mac minis will go bye bye. Dependent on USB audio out. It requires the right DAC to really shine (ODSE, Computer Audio Designs, etc)
Auralic - not truly a music server. More of an intermediate product but revolutionary in what it is. It's the first of a new generation of streamer that gives affordable audiophile sound and accesses all of the music on a NAS or computer, along with accessing Internet streaming services and providing spdif, usb output. They hit a home run with this product. It's a temporary solution, but the ONLY thing that currently does what it does.
BMC/Burmester/Meridian/Linn/Naim - the first gen product of the next big thing. Some are very expensive and all are high end. For me, they are going in the right direction. Gen 2 or 3 will be home runs. All are fighting for the proper control software, Inverness music streaming and output options. If you have the money and don't mind spending on something will be be woefully obsolete In a few years then you will get great sound and convenience. Once the big players have solid product we will see if the current Music Server top players will survive.
Computer Audio Design - not available in the US. You can get them, but import only. Usb only for Input. Probably in the same class as the ODSE. But as long as it doesn't have a solid US presence, I'm hesitant to look further.
The BIG players currently:
Lumin - standalone Music Server with top tier parts, excellent ipad control software and flexible expansion for NAS memory. It offers everything and comes in several levels. It's iTunes integration is not there yet (still doesn't access iTunes folder directly). And you are paying for a DAC that you may or may not need. I don't need the DAC. I'm looking into Lumin very seriously, but I dont know how their usb output is.
Baetis - a Microsoft based system but displaced from the DIY concept to a totally new unit specifically dedicated to audio. AES output is soldiered directly to the mother board. Great integration and control. No built in Internet streaming access ($14k and you still need to buy an Auralic to get Tidal music service), no access to iTunes folders. This unit is specifically designed for AES output and needs a DAC that can take advantage of that. If you have that (DCS, MSB, Berkeley Reference, etc), and are OK with no native Tidal/Rhalsody or access to iTunes folders then it's a no brained. Sounds amazing, I've heard it in a truly reference system.
TotalDac D1 server - probably amazing. No USB output, Spdif/AES outputs. Not really a huge presence In the U.S., like CAD. Reasonably priced and probably should be better known in the U.S. It would be at the top of my list if I wasn't dependant on USB input to get my best sound, and if it had a solid importer in the U.S. I might be wrong about that, but I don't think its currently available stateside except direct from manufacturer. I am still looking into it more though. Everyone who owns one or has heard Totaldac raves about the experience. I reached out to the company and they were very responsive. I may still try with a buy, like I did with many of the dacs I auditioned. But some of my other options are really good...
Aurender W20 - reference music server requiring a DAC . About $17k fully loaded. Sort of unique and strange architecture. Very hybrid. Spinning hard drive for mass storage but uses SSD for short term playback; obviously NAS compatible. Battery power/backup and linear power supply for all music components but a switching power supply for non-audio related parts - huh? Why not just linear throughout? Amazing ipad control and integrated/native Internet streaming like Tidal/Rhapsody recently introduced. Can not directly access iTunes folder. Also spdif/AES outouts. Has USB but I don't think it's considered it's best output. I think it would sound best with AES or spdif out to a top tier DAC. Again. I'm thinking DCS, MSB, Berkeley Reference. A true contender. Also with a well known serious group of programmers to back the company and provide support and updates. Well established US brand.
Antipodes - USB outout, dependant on a USB DAC. Good control using modified Squeezebox software. All SSD storage plus NAS compatible. This is the only unit available that is currently compatible with and can directly access your iTunes folder without needed to copy the whole damn thing to another folder. Integrated/native Internet music access like Tidal/Rhapsody. All linear power supply. Built in CD ripper (some others obviously have this to, I just forgot to mention it). Also with a solid group of programmers and well established in the US. Not obscenely expensive at $7500- fully loaded. Currently very very high on my list; honestly #1 right now.
I'm sure some of what I said is not 100% accurate, but I think oat of it is pretty solid info.
I welcome input, experience, manufacturers comments and user experience to help us all with this daunting list. |
Thanks guys. I welcome talk about servers, streamers and DAC's. They are all essentially part of the same larger discussion - how to get the best sound out of red book 16/44 files.
I think this thread has turned into an enormous resource for me and many others regarding DACs and all things digital. The more we discuss and the more Info we get from everyone involved, the better this thread gets!
410k views guys. People are interested and want to know what we are discussing. Thanks to everyone for making this as much fun as it is!! |
Hi Mrpaul, I just purchased the Antipodes DX and will be able to directly compare it to my Mojo Mac mini server. I am interested to hear your thoughts on the DX but respect your "if no objection" comment, since this is Matt's thread on DACs.
Matt, please let us know if you consider discussions about servers consistent with the topic(s) you intended for this thread, or if you would rather limit the discussions here solely to top tier DACs. |
Mr Paul- I am on the verge of pulling the trigger on said DX. I eagerly await your impressions!!! |
