Am I right for this forum?


I’ve been an Audiogon member for some years now; I remember (fondly) "millercarbon," for example, which will mean something to some of you. And I’ve been a lover of audio equipment since high school—so, for over 50 years (I graduated in 1973). And yet...more and more, I find myself alienated from this forum, even though I do still read it regularly.

I do have what I consider a very "high-fidelity" system. I’ve written a very long account of my "audio journey," complete with many photos, but not "published" it on this site. I’m also a member of our local audio club, which includes several very well-heeled members who have systems costing more than most homes (one of them owns equipment valued at nearly a million dollars, but that’s just the tip of the iceberg: his system is housed in a separate structure purpose-built for it that cost well over a million). I play cello and guitar; my wife plays piano, my daughter piano and violin. We play those instruments in the same room occupied by my main audio system, and so I can attest to the "fidelity" of that system’s reproduction.

And yet...my system cost me less than $3,000 in total. I don’t lust after any particular "upgrade," even though I read reviews and all the many accounts of improvements in "SQ" documented in this forum.

So...am I an "audiophile," or not? Do I belong here, or not?


I’m listening right now to a wonderful bit of Mozart. I also love Tool. And Christy Moore. And Eva Cassidy. And so many others. I agree with Nietzsche: without music, life would be a mistake. But am I an audiophile? Do I belong on this forum?

Any sympathy here? Anyone else feel alienated from the "audiophile community" despite loving the miracle of audio technology?

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Fantastic post i agree !

It was acoustics experiments that helped me the most...

My system is so well balanced now that i can think only about music...

It is not the best system possible by far ...😊

But any system at any price with minimal synergy when acoustically optimized will give you acoustic ectasy by revealing the original recorded acoustic parameters chosen by the recording engineer... Then your attention are focussed on the live recorded acoustics and music... The gear dont matter and impede nothing...

Could the gear be improved ? Always  for sure, but when done right any system can give you heaven on earth ... Mine does with speakers and headphone for 1000 bucks  ... If i could anybody could...

 

Simple question: how often, when listening to music, are you distracted by thoughts about the sound of your system -- especially thoughts tinged with dissatisfaction?

If you really are a "pure" music lover, who doesn’t fixate on sonics, congratulations! The "disease", as @ghdprentice calls it, once contracted, can be tricky to manage.

Perhaps it would be helpful to know most of us are located somewhere on a spectrum, being both music- lovers and sound-chasers in varying proportions and that, furthermore, this balance often changes. For example, when I’m happy with the sound of my system, I naturally tend to focus on music. On the other hand, if I’m experiencing problems with my system and listening is yielding little pleasure, I tend to become absorbed by the drive to address sonic dissatisfaction and seek advice. Of course, some of us are more easily taken over by obsession than others. ;o)

I just saw this thread.  OP, you definitely seem to know a lot about music, and probably a lot about how acoustic music sounds.  I suspect defer to your judgement on acoustic instruments reproduction more than I would for the majority of posters here, including myself.  I think your observations would be valuable here.

  I think that you are justified in asking if you belong here.  Clearly the emphasis in Audiogon is about individuals that like to experiment with changing equipment, and as you note, most individual components cost more than your system.  I am not being pejorative here, merely stating an observation.  There is also a smattering of people with modest systems, some of whom make claims that their low priced systems have reached the limits of music reproduction and can’t be bettered.  
  I guess you have to decide whether it’s worth your time being in the big tent with the different viewpoints.  I know many people who read car magazines who are lucky to be able to afford a 20 year old Honda Civic with 200K miles

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I often feel the same way.  I don't post to often but to read through some stuff that peaks my interest.

@asvjerry 

"Stuff Of Transient Admiration"

Sorry for weaving off topic, but couldn't help thinking of my Ex here.  This text should be standard verb-age embedded in the opening statements of dissolution of marriage defense (justification) cases.

 @deep_333 wrote:

In the 90s and the ’00s, I used to buy the most expensive speakers out there. I just didn’t know enough. I used to have one of the original Wilson Wamms, TAD Reference, the top JBL, etc.

As I become knowledgeable, I was starting to match or beat the sound of such speakers at much lower prices. For example, a guy who doesn’t know what a Killer sub is or what to do with it will only have sucky sound with a million dollar "full range" speaker, etc, etc. it is just the nature of how speakers work in rooms folks. The only guy who even admits things like that in recent times is Paul McGowan perhaps.

I recently sold a 60k Schwikert to fund a 15k Yamaha and will soon get the Borresen X6. Can I eat the Schwikert ’s lunch with a cheaper Yamaha and a Borresen. You bet I can...Did I eat the TAD reference’s lunch with the trickle down TAD E1TX and some killer subs. You bet I did....Did the eat the JBL’s lunch with PA speakers? You bet I did...

An audiophile is someone who cares and learns about improving the fidelity of playback, no matter what the budget is...even if it’s a 100 bucks. If his budget is small, he hopefully learns trickle down concepts, knows who the max bang 4 buck designers are (the really smart ones) etc...and gets smarter about purchases than the guys with bottomless pockets. He will also figure out room acoustics hopefully! An audiophile is also a guy who has the humility to constantly learn things and doesn’t sit on a pedestal thinking he’s got it all figured out in life.

This. Well put. 

The issue is...once a typical audioboo snob goes up in price, he will never look at anything cheaper lest it beat his high price junk, somehow. So, you will never get a fair comparison, feel for what you get as you go up in price on a speaker in the same room with the same electronics. 

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