3-4 dB dip at crossover region: what should I listen for to hear it?


I haven’t posted here for about 10 years but thought I’d jump back in to ask about my new JBL 4349s. According to measurements on ASR and even JBLs own graphs, the 4349s have a 3-4 dB dip in the crossover region at about the 1.5 kHz mark. What should I listen for to hear this? I understand that music in this range will be quieter, but I’m not hearing any suckout compared to my Omegas or other speakers Ive had in my system. I’ve played some clarinet and violin concertos, two instruments that spend a lot of time in this frequency range, but I can’t hear an obvious difference. Am I listening for the wrong thing? I’d like to be able to hear this deficiency for leaning purposes if nothing else, so any pointers are appreciated.

 

Many thanks!

rischa

It would be very difficult for me to believe that the crossover dip was an oversight by the JBL crossover design team.

While ASR is good at measuring and complaining, I’ve yet to see them do an in depth speaker analysis. They measure a speaker, sure, but an in depth look would be to disassemble it, trace out the crossover, measure the driver impedances and then put together a complete simulation.

Or even better, do as Troels Gravesen does with some vintage speakers and demonstrate the value of a crossover re-think by making a new crossover and measuring the finished results. ASR is a misnomor. They are Audio Quality Review... they don’t usually know what the underlying tech is doing, they just measure the results, which is useful but doesn’t go far enough. For instance, the Kef Reference 1 Meta really needs an in depth crossover analysis because there may be great ways to fix the low impedance. ASR noted the impedance without any understanding of what they were looking at.

My point is, they measure, they get all huffy and the like to think of themselves as the last word, but they are not even close. 

It is quite possible the crossover is the best compromise possible with these two drivers. I would be absolutely shocked if this was merely a matter of crossover selection. Not in this century and not from JBL.

Today sound pressure meters are very inexpensive

get one with a tripod fitting

next a CD (not LP) with test tones, many single frequencies, and you set the mic at seated ear height at your listening position.

They don't have to be laboratory accurate, just give you relative differences, i.e. + ____ db or - _____ db than the prior frequency.

My test tone CD has 29 frequencies to compare. Expensive, you could find something else

 

You are measuring the space as well as your speakers. Slight relocation, slight toe-in adjustments differences can be found.

 

I just read the review and Amir from ASR actually put that speaker on his recommended list. Beyond measurements, he was pleased with the sound.

You don't want to hear it, because then you can't un-hear it and you'll be looking for new speakers.  If you like the sound, close all ASR webpages, and just listen to the music.

You don't want to hear it, because then you can't un-hear it and you'll be looking for new speakers.  If you like the sound, close all ASR webpages, and just listen to the music.