Higher-End Class A/B vs. Class A Integrateds


I’ve been thinking about downsizing from separates to an integrated amp. I’ve noticed that some companies have both class A and class A/B amps that are both pretty expensive such as Luxman for example. Hegel seems to be well received and they’re not true class A as far as I know.

I was kind of under the impression that class A was better than class A/B due to lower distortion yet again, there are some well reviewed class A/B amps that are as pricey as some class A amps.

To be clear, it’s really not the price I’m concerned about. It’s the fact that some integrated amps $5000 and up are still only Class AB.

How do these higher priced class AB amps sound in comparison to true class A amps?

nicktheknife

+1 for the Coda CSiB. I have the v1 which is 150 watts per channel into 8 ohms with the first 18 watts in class A. I use it to drive a pair of difficult to drive Thiel CS 2.4 speakers, and it handles the task with ease.  Most highly recommended.

It's a matter of execution.  I've a Sugden Class A 33 wpc, Luxman A/B 120 wpc. They sound different, but both drive well the ATC 20s, sealed cabinet.  Both exhibit lots of control and drive.

I would suppose the right difficult load could present problems for the Sugden, but I've yet to find that and it's driven lots of different speakers.  The bass from the Sugden is not booming, but it is lightning fast and clean.

Most claimed Class A amps drift into Class A/B after the first few watts anyway.  So then what do we really have?  Just listen with your ears.

@erik_squires

Class A amplifiers have no crossover distortion at the 0 point because they use a “single” device to handle a complete waveform. This structure is incredibly power consuming, heat creating, and low on efficiency (usually around 25%) and power (25-30W is an average ouput).

Class B amplifiers use two, or more, devices in a complementary pairing with the “top” one handling the positive half of the waveform and the “bottom” one handling the negative half. The two outputs are then summed to give you the complete waveform with the point that the waveform goes from positive to negative (and back) being called the crossover point. Because of the lack of perfect linearity between devices there will always be some distortion at the point of crossover. Class B amplifiers are usually used for high power work.

A class A/B amplifier uses a class A stage for low power work and then “switches” to the class B stage for higher power work.  

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_amplifier_classes for help, too.

Are you looking for just a Stereo integrated amp? Do you need HDMI inputs? If you are just looking for Stereo and no HDMI, I can recommend Outlaw Audio, I have there RR2160MKll and it is awesome and M8 Subwoofer. It can handle speakers down to 2 ohms has Analog Bass Management has a fantastic phono pre amp. But also has a digital side with internet radio and a nice app for streaming (ethernet port and wifi). Plenty of analog RCA inputs but a couple of toslink digital inputs and a good DAC. They only sell manufacturer direct so it is priced good. It’s a beast!! There headquarters is just a few towns over from me in Easton Ma. https://outlawaudio.com/shop/

Steve Guttenberg does a good review on it here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEelX9wGTLQ&t=458s