Big speakers, are they really the best way to get great sound?


Yesterday, I had the opportunity to listen to some very large speakers that are considered to be at, or close to, the pinnacle in speaker design and ability. Needless to say, the speakers retail in the mid to high $300k range. These speakers, and I will not be naming them, were sourced by about $800k of upstream gear. Room size was about thirty by twenty, maybe a little larger.
To say the the overall sound was BIG would be accurate, but also I noticed something else, that I typically hear with big speaker systems. Generally, the speakers were right on edge of overloading the room, depending on music, the dreaded bass boom could be heard. But, the whole presentation was greater in impact than most any smaller speaker system, yet it was almost unlistenable for the long term.

The question I asked myself, is do we really want this type of presentation in our home audio systems? The speakers threw a pretty large soundstage, but also made things sound somewhat larger than life. I also thought that this type of speaker is akin to the large box dynamic speakers of yesteryear. For example, a set of large horns from Altec Lansing or similar was reminiscent of this sound. Makes me believe that if one has a big room, a similar sound can be obtained from most any large speaker system and at a fraction of the price.

I listen in a very small room, and by necessity in the near field, yet I think the overall intimacy of this type of listening experience is better for me, your thoughts?

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You hit on the main issue all speakers have, and that's integrating with the room.  The dragons live in the lowest two octaves and published measurements don't help you at all.

So, if investing $100K or more it is worth it to get measurements and professional room treatments, and consider EQ when and where possible.

With larger speakers, more money is being spent on low frequency extension... extension that interacts with the room... extension you usually cannot adjust for the room / placement. When you think about it, large, floor standing speakers without low end adjustment are a recipe for compromise.

The smart money setup is the best pair of 2-way speakers and dual subs, that you can afford. Dual outputs from your preamp to main speaker amp, and to dual subs. Make some 100Hz high pass filters for use between preamp and main amp. This relieves the 2-way speakers of the work the subs are there for, and will actually make them even more resolving because they aren’t being tasked with playing the low end. An additional benefit is an easy load for the main amplifier. The subs either need DSP / Parametric EQ adjustment ability, to address room interaction issues. You need to measure, make adjust, and you’re done. Doing this via REW (freeware) is not hard, and not expensive for microphone setup.

Currently I’m using Wilson Audio Duette... 2-way with 8" woofer... and I suspect you’re referencing a Wilson flagship product. Whether you are or not, the same thinking applies.

The Duette play BIG. They are currently having a crossover redesign done. Subs are currently SVS SB16-Ultra. Rythmik Audio subs are also a great choice (and I wish I’d gone the servo route). I’m happy with the SVS subs, but I suspect the Rythmik servo subs are better.

This is world class sound... for a fraction of the money others spend on speakers. Used Duette speakers and subs is way less than $10k.

One other fun thing about going the 2-way / sub route... it’s easy to play with speakers to find what you like / suits your taste. 2 way speakers are less money, easier / less expensive to ship, etc. It’s fun swapping in different 2 ways "just because".

For those curious... a piece of the results / work on Wilson Audio Duette crossover redesign... it appears the crossover, as designed by Wilson Audio, DID NOT ACCOUNT FOR BAFFLE STEP LOSS. 🤷‍♂️

So, if indeed you are talking about a $300k Wilson Audio speaker... well, I have no problem telling it like it is. 

I sure miss my Snell Type A V5's. They had the 18 inch woofers. They had impact when needed. I 'll be at the CAF looking for something to compete with what they offered in a slightly smaller footprint.

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My Wavetouch audio system consists small 2 ways speakers (a 5.25" woofer) with a Velodyne 8" SPL s2 powered sub. Can any system beat my system's sound and musicality? The Time (Pink Floyd) requires a good bass and I think my system is doing better than any system. Alex/Wavetouch 

Pink Floyd – Time - David Gilmour, Wavetouch audio, Live recording