Streamer/server newbie


Hello everyone, I never felt I would consider purchasing a streamer/server yet here I am and I blame talking to another audiophile after he asked ‘what’s new with your stereo’ and told me about his recent streamer purchase. From peeking at these units I’m interested in the Aurender’s, Lumin’s and maybe Naim.  I do not want an integrated DAC. My system; PBN mono amps, PBN preamp, PBN M2!5 speakers and a Bel Canto DAC 3.7 with Reference upgrade and most likely in near future upgrade to a Lampizator DAC. Budget to match the system so $5k more or less. I do not foresee me abandoning CD’s for an all digital download library however I’d like to be able to have the ability to download  music. Thanks for any and all suggestions.

mark360

Intel NUC Roon Server is around $600.

A Raspberry Pi 4 with Ropiee is about $250 + linear power supply $90.

Roon lifetime subscription $830.

Spend the rest on a good DAC, amp, speakers, headphones if any of those items you already have are something you might consider upgrading.

I have the above setup in one system and I also have a Lumin U1 streamer in my main system. The upgrades to DAC amp and speakers are so much more bang for the buck then the small improvement in sound by spending $5k more on U1 streamer...don’t get me wrong it is a great streamer but it was the last component I upgraded. I was shocked and surprised at how good the Raspberry Pi sounds into a good DAC (USB connection - no hat). Everything I read and see online says buy a streamer costing thousands.

 

 

You have a healthy budget but that doesn’t mean you are required to use it.  Since you aren’t that sure about streaming I would suggest go slow.  The largest determinant of sound is the DAC, and you have one that you like.  Transports matter, and the more that you spend, the better you get, but affordable streamers

such as Bluesound sound pretty good, especially with High Resolution material.

My suggestion is buy a less expensive but quality component.  If you later decide streaming isn’t for you, you won’t be looking at a $5K albatross on your equipment rack.  If you love streaming and down the road wish to upgrade, then spend more.

Streaming frequently isn’t plug and play like.CD player or even a turntable.  They are more like networking computers and subject to the same foibles.  For example, the software program is a huge part of the experience.  I had a Bryston streamer that sounded fantastic but was hugely frustrating due to a horrible software program.  I replaced it with a Cambridge Audio CXN 60 that cost 1/3 as much, sounds about 96% as good, and has an easily managed app.  It also has Chromecast and AirPlay so I can stream directly from a mobile device if I don’t want to play the files on my server

Lumin U2 or U2-Mini are great choices.  (I'm a Lumin dealer)

But you mentioned "download"....neither of these will have on-board storage, so if you truly want to download cds, you will need a NAS or storage device.  If you only want to stream (Tidal/Qobuz/etc), then you are good to go.

@mahler123 Not to disagree too much with what you said but the lower cost streamers are not that good. The Bluesound Node (I have N130) is not bad for the cost but the USB audio out is poor and not compatible with all devices. ifi Zen Stream buggy software and wifi drop outs. Similar issues with Musical Fidelity MX Stream and Roon compatibility.

A Raspberry PI in its most basic form - just the motherboard in a fanless heatsink case with a linear power supply running Ropiee outputing USB audio will rival streamers costing thousands. Keep it simple for best results. It is only a network bridge to pass digital data. A good DAC will take that data and buffer it and use its own internal timing to deal with errors and jitter in the data.

If setting up Ropiee on a Pi is not appealing then the lowest tier streamer I would recommend is a Lumin U1 Mini / U2 Mini (and add the LHY liner power supply kit). Lumin has stable software and good hardware.

 

 

 

I have the above setup in one system and I also have a Lumin U1 streamer in my main system. The upgrades to DAC amp and speakers are so much more bang for the buck then the small improvement in sound by spending $5k more on U1 streamer...don’t get me wrong it is a great streamer but it was the last component I upgraded. I was shocked and surprised at how good the Raspberry Pi sounds into a good DAC (USB connection - no hat). Everything I read and see online says buy a streamer costing thousands.

I picked up a Bryston BDP Pi for like $500 used. It’s based on the Raspberry Pi. Then invested ~$1K for a Small Green Computer to host the Roon Core. Then switched the Pi to Roon Endpoint. Dolled it all up with some decent cabling and Mesh network. I am amazed at how good it sounds. I would like to someday switch to optical rendu endpoint.

 

I agree: spend the rest of the budget on good cables, network infrastructure and DAC.