AUDIO SCIENCE REVIEW and $50 to spend.........


i found this website....

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?reviews/

looks like the guy who does the reviews plays with a pink panther figurine all the time... its a okay movie...but i dont like it too much. the reviews are so hard to figure out. i am lost for words and not totally understanding what i am reading. basically it seems like he does not like most of the audio products.

can i get AMAZING sound quality for only $50 ? my bank told me i cant make any withdrawals...my wife took control. now she is not talking to me. and she locked my bedroom drawer with a little more cash. but i have $50 so i can buy something online for my JVC earbuds...i have the JVC Gumy PLUS. the sound quality is premium but i want more. i am thinking of a DIVORCE. if my wife is not going to CHANGE!!

can someone help me find a good value audio product. i need some help. also the audio store told me "do not return" i dont know what is wrong with them. i said they were not very helpful. then the MANAGER said how can I HELP YOU?? i said...i have a team of audiophiles already helping me...you guys...

please help. thank you.i am so greatful.

128x128digitalviper

ozzy,

Ok.

 

(I've tried 'quality cables,' nordost among them, and there is clearly nothing 'amis' with my system, as other audiophiles who have heard it know).

I am no more pushing ASR on you, than you are pushing your view on me.

We are exchanging opinions, and the reasons we hold them.

prof,

There are many levels of Nordost cables. I have tried most, but don’t prefer their sound. A little too thin for me. How about you? If you agree, then you believe that cables do matter...

Anyway, enough of this, I feel like our conversation takes me back through a time warp and what I believed 50 years ago.

Enjoy the hobby!

ozzy

I think it's prof vs. God.  

God created all these different cables but somehow they all sound the same according to prof.  What a waste of resources.

I think it's prof vs. God.  

I have no problem with that debate either.  This isn't the forum, though ;-)

God created all these different cables but somehow they all sound the same according to prof.  What a waste of resources.

Raising strawmen characterizations are always a waste.  Why do you bother? 

If someone is producing an argument in defense of their belief that doesn't make sense, then it's reasonable to be skeptical.  And if they are also using a method known to be fallible in evaluating their own claim, that's double reason to be skeptical and want better arguments and evidence.

So for instance, in another thread Andy2 claimed that SS amps "always have a haze" over the sound.

Yet: most of the music audiophiles listen to, no doubt including Andy2, used solid state equipment/amplification in it's production.  Yet nobody, including Andy2, reports a "haze" over all these recordings.  The sheer internal logical contradiction shows this type of claim can not be true. He has clearly made an error somewhere in his reasoning.

Bolstering an already bad argument with personal anecdotes "I heard a haze with SS amps" hardly suffices to resolve that internal contradiction.   And it relies on a form of anecdote we know to be open to bias and fallibility.

In regard to high end audio cables, there are similar red flags.

Audiophiles will get some new expensive high end audio cable and go on about all the new sonic information being revealed by these cables.  This is supposed to justify the heroic, and expensive, efforts the cable maker went to creating cables that can "reveal" such sonic information.

But the internal contradiction arises:   MOST of the recordings that audiophiles cream themselves over with their new cables were made using bog-standard studio grade cables...tons and tons of them.  The inescapable logic is that WHATEVER details you hear on those recordings through your new cables, the ORIGINAL NON-AUDIOPHILE CABLES WERE SUFFICIENT TO TRANSMIT.  Otherwise...there wouldn't be that detail there to hear in the first place.

It therefore makes little sense to say you "have to" go to the lengths many of these cable manufacturers claim in order to pass through or preserve such subtle sonic detail - non-audiophile cables were already perfectly capable of doing so.

And this is what most electrical and sound engineers have understood.  It's why most of them understand they don't need audiophile cables in creating recordings.

Standard electrical theory suggests this.  Practice suggests this.  Logical reasoning like the above suggests this.

Are there SOME recording studios that go in for audiophile cabling?  Yes, you can find some engineers who buy in to this idea.  What's typically lacking is any rigorous evidence their beliefs are justified - either measurements or controlled listening tests.

So...am I open to audiophile cables making sonic differences?   Yes.  For one thing it is a fact that cables CAN, in the right conditions, audibly affect the sound (for instance too small awg for long runs, resistance/impedance/capacitance mismatches etc).   But does that justify all the claims made by audiophile cable companies?  Of course not.  There are good reasons to be skeptical of their claims, and...for some of the reasons I've given...want stronger evidence than the usual "I heard it!" anecdotes.

 

Nobody HAS to be skeptical.  You can do and buy whatever you want.  But if you want to disparage someone for being skeptical, please don't just pretend there aren't good reasons for skepticism.  As if it's only just a case of someone being "close minded."   If you care to JUSTIFY your criticism...do so...explaining for instance why some of the arguments above are faulty.