Nearly all manufacturers do not advertise/exhibit their product measurements? Why?

@amir_asr

Maybe to you $100 is nothing but for others, it is good money they don’t want to throw out.

Why do you think its not worth it? You are stuck in a loop, if it costs more than (whatever cable you happen to use) so it must be bad.

No one can help you here, you are stuck (trapped) in a fog of stubbornness, why do you want to drag everyone else into the fog with you? Danny tried lifting you out, Darko certainly gave you good advice, yet here you go on and on advising everyone else what to do with THEIR money. Stop already with the complaining.

Are you going to finally reveal your system with pics and measurements in your profile? You already said this is a thread about measurements OK?

Amir, you are a professional with a high profile. You have my respect for what you built (even though I don't agree with you or your members on everything) Don't just show up and be so callous (or irksome), OK?

@mitch2 After reading your post concerning the Benchmark L4, you mentioned having sought out pre-amps exceeding $10K cost.  I would recommend the Audio Research SP28 at $12K if you could afford it.  Only if you change the input tubes to 6N6 or 6H6 (cheap tubes).  Otherwise, you would be better off with the Benchmark if it sounds (or rather lack of sound) pleasing with your fuller/warmer sounding front end.  

here is a good article from another measurement-focused audio internet guy. whatever you think of his conclusions or his overall viewpoint, it strikes me as a reasonable and thoughtful position. instead of fighting it out in the forums and taking cheap shots at everyone who dares to disagree, he lays out his case clearly and ends with a call for mutual civility and respect.

from my point of view, we can just accept that reasonable people disagree with one another in every niche hobby on earth, and still try to learn something in the process. it’s all about music anyway. who cares. 

also updating to point out that this guy, while he's been quite critical of some of the reviewers i enjoy reading like lavorgna, doesn't appear to have a history of attacking other measurement-focused reviewers and booting them from his comments section. food for thought

@holmz You are correct.  He could have needed better fuses or IC cables or something else.  However, several other friends tried the Pangea power cable. No go.  They disliked it compared to whatever they had been using.  I know how great my power cables sound on several systems and the lack of returns on 1000s sold privately.  So, I lent him the less expensive, earlier model, just one and he was dumbfounded.  He replaced all the power cables.  He was ecstatically happy.  I'm happy for him and after he also changed his pre-amp input tubes, I am happy to listen to his audio system.  

Yes, I'm only telling fables in your opinion.  Not!  You can believe it's just another story and the sound could be the same.  Not!  I've related how poorly his system reproduced low frequencies with very jagged sound and now a smooth sound up and down the scale.  Voices are full and forward (instead of floating in the rear and thin sounding).  I was using my CDs which I am very familiar with.  If that earlier system from 2019 were mine after spending nearly $1/2 million, I also would have been very disappointed.  It may not be perfect but after a few changes (10X more expensive power cables, 5X less expensive input tubes) his now high end sounding system is one I would be proud to own (except it is only CD based, uploaded to a computer and thumbdrives, going through a computer directory, through a Berkeley USB something or other to the DAC, then pre-amp then tri-amped multi-box speaker system).  Too much work for me, I just plop the CD into the transport (or work a little more with LPs, 78s and R2R).  

The review of the Belden (Blue Jeans) Iconoclast XLR cable measurements appeared about the same to me as the Canare, the difference was the extreme price difference. The Iconoclast designer indicates that it should sound different due to construction matters affecting other electrical properties (such as timing). I cannot say that it is or isn’t inferior but it is noteworthy that it electrically measured in specific tests similar. If I were given it to test, I would also listen to it and to the Canare in a high quality audio system. If there is no difference, then I would choose the Canare for that system. if there is a difference, a significant one, then the tests were incomplete/inadequate. The Belden could sound worse though. Different results in other systems are also possible. If this listening comparison occurs in many systems with similar resuls, then the testing was probably adequate. My problem is that manufacturers of most cables do not provide tested measurements.

I have not heard Belden Iconoclast cables in any system. I didn’t know that they made a high end cable. When I went to their site, the cable components do not appear to vary much from more common, less expensive cables, including those made in China by Audioquest and others. Not even close to the high end cables I’ve heard. Harmonic Technology and XLO also made cables of similar complexity. The speaker cable components were even simpler. After viewing the Cardas video on cable assembly (and lack of testing), I have great reservations concerning expensive cables as well. Maybe it’s luck for the audiophile who finds a cable manufacturer who designs and assembles higher end or more costly cables that transmit sound better than inexpensive plain jane well measured cables. I’m just glad that I found a cable manufacturer whose cables do make a positive difference for nearly every system they are placed in.