Is There A Big Difference Between Subwoofers From Different Manufacturers


This is likely the last thread I’ll be posting about subwoofers.

I was just wondering if there is really a big difference between subwoofers from different manufacturers if the quality of the subs (which is mostly governed by the specifications) are fairly similar. Also, with the assumption that the set up is properly done to ensure a seamless integration with the main speakers.

There have been many comparisons or experiences on subwoofers shared by members here on this forum, people who upgraded their old sub to a new seemingly superior sub. Or people who added additional subs to the system which contributed to an overall improved bass performance. I’m referring to the former, the comparison between single subs.

To cut to the chase, I understand high quality subwoofers which are essentially higher spec designs will usually produce better performance than lower spec subs. When people upgrade their subs, I assume the new subs are superior in terms of specification, either a larger sub with larger drivers, higher power output of the internal amplifier, lower frequency extension or the combination of any of the above.

Has anyone compared subs which are fairly similar in quality or performance when upgrading from the old sub?

Example. If someone upgraded from a REL T7x to an SVS SB-3000 or SB-4000, I suppose the SVS would be an upgrade since they come with larger drivers, higher power output, everything superior spec-wise. What if the models are closely spec’d? Will the subs sound fairly similar or closer to each other ?

Say, the comparison between

SVS SB-3000/4000
Rythmik F12SE / F15
REL S510 / S812 / Carbon Special or Limited

I presume the subs will still sound slightly different but the difference may not be night and day if the quality or specifications are closely matched?

 

ryder

high-level connection is genius

No, it isn't as it does nothing to clean up the mains' low end. The interference between the mains and subs makes the bottom nebulous.

I'm sure all those extra connections and wire are destroying the sound 😉

 

Negative comments on REL SQ or build quality do seem to be rare.

Not many have heard properly integrated low end in a home HiFi.

Far too many sub integrations lean toward MORE, not BETTER. As a composer pal once remarked in my room "EVERY other subwoofer I've heard just boomed!"

Correction, I meant ieales, this forum operates a bit differently than I am used to.

I have built quite a few crossovers and never seen the formula written as you have and looked it up, could not find it anywhere.

* the same as x ?

R the same as impedance?

Thanks,

Rick

I'm not able to respond directly to the OP's first question, but according to my experience the choice of a sub (or more than one) depends also very much on your room and its acoustics - and, of course, on the quality of the components in your stereo system (low, middle, consumer, high end). 

I assume nobody out there knows or remembers the make of the sub I use: Acustik-Lab Stella Novus (original spelled name), a Swiss made component which was very in demand in Asia in its time (and very costly, unfortunately). It allows settings in many ways, which was prior to today's DSP. (The company no longer exists.) So my favorite crossover setting  is 42 Hz...quite discreet. With DSP and today's choice of subs you may find happiness, too. 

The picture of STELLA Novus

Acoustic-Lab Stella Novus sub, 15 – 500 Hz, adjustable, w/ remote control 

@akg_ca --

Didn't see your post until after I had mine posted. You make excellent points. 

@mijostyn --

Re: driver size, I absolute agree with "The notion that larger drivers are "slower" is mythology to the max." It may (or may not) be interesting to note that the digital IMAX cinemas for a few years now have been using subs each comprising a quad array of 12" woofers (looks like (modified) Eminence LAB12's). I believe they usually have about 6 or 8 of those suckers installed in each theatre, and they're very powerful and clean sounding. Cinemas usually go with a number of ported dual 18" subs while some newer installations use 21"-loaded cabs, ported as well, but in any case it's interesting to see IMAX going the deviating route with multiple 12" woofers. Whether this is a consequence of a possible issue with lack of cone control in bigger drivers, I don't know, but in large cinema installations there'll be prodigious subs cone travel for sure.

The question is how lack of cone control in larger drivers (i.e.: 15" on up) relates to a domestic setting. A larger cone may be more difficult to control, but it also has to move less for a given output, and for cone control to be an issue you need cone travel to speak of. The cones of the 15" B&C woofers in my dual corner-loaded tapped horn subs only vibrate up to a few mm's at most at SPL's that seriously pressurizes the room; lack of control is a nonissue here, believe me. Remember the horn on the front side of the driver acts as a force multiplier, so with the combined and summed output of the backwave you have an effective air radiation about 3x that of a 15" direct radiating driver. And there are two of them, corner-loaded, hence it figures why the cones only move so very little, also explained with them having excursion minima at the tune. Bass like that doesn't force itself on you at ground level, but simply energizes the whole space around you very smoothly and effortlessly. Bass just happens as opposed to feeling delivered with effort. 

Yes, big cabs dominate the room, as my TH's would testify at 20cf. each. Corner-loaded though don't I feel it to be an issue, but seeing them out in the open they're just huge.