Amir and Blind Testing


Let me start by saying I like watching Amir from ASR, so please let’s not get harsh or the thread will be deleted. Many times, Amir has noted that when we’re inserting a new component in our system, our brains go into (to paraphrase) “analytical mode” and we start hearing imaginary improvements. He has reiterated this many times, saying that when he switched to an expensive cable he heard improvements, but when he switched back to the cheap one, he also heard improvements because the brain switches from “music enjoyment mode” to “analytical mode.” Following this logic, which I agree with, wouldn’t blind testing, or any A/B testing be compromised because our brains are always in analytical mode and therefore feeding us inaccurate data? Seems to me you need to relax for a few hours at least and listen to a variety of music before your brain can accurately assess whether something is an actual improvement.  Perhaps A/B testing is a strawman argument, because the human brain is not a spectrum analyzer.  We are too affected by our biases to come up with any valid data.  Maybe. 

chayro

"show us your data."

I think he is measuring the wrong thing. Ask your guru to show how he measures a person's emotions. Some folks prefer precision while some prefer musicality. Now you would argue that you prefer precision over musicality - and I get that. But what if the  "happiness" I get from musicality exceeds your "happiness" about precision? How would he measure that? Maybe he should try to listen without prejudice/bias. God has given him his ears - why does he not trust them?

Precision is mainly a concept for electronical engineering...

In psycho-acoustic precision is subordinated to musical experience and human ears evaluation... And the precision did not exist for itself  or for delivering an electronical product but to understand subjective hearing  experience...

Amirm is not even wrong about audio ...It is useful to have the RIGHTFUL measured data for sure...

Myself i trust the only fundamental science for my audio system experience: it is not comparing amplifiers with some measuring tools...IT IS NOT ENOUGH AT ALL ... I dont say it is not useful. it is...

But acoustic and psycho-acoustic are the main fields if someone want to understand hearing and music experience and improve at low costs his sound system/room ...

Amirm sell digital technology of all kind not music or acoustic or the optimal audio experience...He is a digital tool specialist...It is what he sells...

Like i said he is honest, i dont think he is not at all, but his disciples in audio are deluded and obsessive, they dont have the excuse to be digital engineer like their master... ...

Some folks prefer precision while some prefer musicality.

@milpai 

"Ask your guru to show how he measures a person's emotions."

That is a little pejorative, don't you think?

Your other points are fine, but your religious references make me think you might be investing this discussion with more significance than it deserves. And no, Amir is not my savior and he is not yours either, he is just a guy testing audio equipment and sharing info and asking others to do the same.

I do find his test results interesting from a technical point of view but totally irrelevant for assessing audio reproduction His choice of avatar irritates me no end as it suggests an unjustified superiority or arrogance. 

@bruce19,

Not at all. I asked a simple question. Why did you think that was pejorative? What religious reference are you talking about? I have absolutely no idea how you came to this conclusion! Please explain, if possible, since this one really puzzled me.

he is just a guy testing audio equipment and sharing info and asking others to do the same

You see, 99% of the folks buy audio equipment to get the joy of listening to music. I have been to many a audio shops, multiple shows, etc. All of them demoed me how music sounded on their equipment. and I loved some, and some I did not care. Of course, I used my ears and that is how I chose my system that you currently see in my profile. Not one demo consisted of measuring anything and then making a decision to buy that equipment. Don't you think it is a bit strange that someone would buy a equipment just to "test" it and not listen to it?