Amir and Blind Testing


Let me start by saying I like watching Amir from ASR, so please let’s not get harsh or the thread will be deleted. Many times, Amir has noted that when we’re inserting a new component in our system, our brains go into (to paraphrase) “analytical mode” and we start hearing imaginary improvements. He has reiterated this many times, saying that when he switched to an expensive cable he heard improvements, but when he switched back to the cheap one, he also heard improvements because the brain switches from “music enjoyment mode” to “analytical mode.” Following this logic, which I agree with, wouldn’t blind testing, or any A/B testing be compromised because our brains are always in analytical mode and therefore feeding us inaccurate data? Seems to me you need to relax for a few hours at least and listen to a variety of music before your brain can accurately assess whether something is an actual improvement.  Perhaps A/B testing is a strawman argument, because the human brain is not a spectrum analyzer.  We are too affected by our biases to come up with any valid data.  Maybe. 

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Yes, your $1,000 USB cable is very cool, but admit that there isn’t any scientific evidence that it sounds audibly better than Amazon’s $5 cable.

I provided a link to one scientific study that showed how people her differently. And this study (my guess) assumes that the ears they tested are created exactly the same. But we know that every human has a different finger print. So that is not even in this study. You get my point, I hope.

I am not saying that you have to purchase a $$$$$ cable to hear a difference between that one and a $ cable. All you need to do is listen. You can purchase 2 cables in the same price range - and if one is constructed pretty good, while the other is a bad one, there are chances that you will be able to hear a difference. Of course, if you cannot hear the differences between various components like amps, DACs, etc then it will not make sense to you. You are better served with measurements and not listening. My idea of this hobby is to "listen and find out" and not "measure and find out". In my books it's an insult to your senses when you have to rely on someone's measurement to tell you what "might" sound good rather than trusting your own senses.

prof

because that's you (and likely your imagination)

Is this just like how you want to imagine that every person in the world has the same hearing? Might the following article might help you?

Scientific Study - not imagination

Search the net and you will find many more scientific articles - not "religious" articles, as you mentioned. Then there is the wax build up, hearing loss, genetics, etc.

many of us want actual knowledge as to how the equipment works

Fortunately I do not fall in that group. I use my ears for listening. And the brain translates that into emotions. Eyes are great to see the numbers and study the equipment. But what we hear dictates our preference and that translates to emotions we experience.

If a scientific study cannot convince you that we all hear differently then only Amir can help you. Good luck.

which is confirmed by the fact that anything sold by the parent company Aoshida will get favourable reviews from Amir..

I have read this somewhere too.

My advice to his followers is simply to go out, listen, make up their own minds.

Not sure if your advice makes sense to the ASR crowd. Because if the measurements are not good,  then the product is outright dismissed. They follow ASR mod's mind, not their own. You have high expectations from people who refuse to use their senses and rely on tech measurements, exclusively 😀.

"show us your data."

I think he is measuring the wrong thing. Ask your guru to show how he measures a person's emotions. Some folks prefer precision while some prefer musicality. Now you would argue that you prefer precision over musicality - and I get that. But what if the  "happiness" I get from musicality exceeds your "happiness" about precision? How would he measure that? Maybe he should try to listen without prejudice/bias. God has given him his ears - why does he not trust them?

@bruce19,

Not at all. I asked a simple question. Why did you think that was pejorative? What religious reference are you talking about? I have absolutely no idea how you came to this conclusion! Please explain, if possible, since this one really puzzled me.

he is just a guy testing audio equipment and sharing info and asking others to do the same

You see, 99% of the folks buy audio equipment to get the joy of listening to music. I have been to many a audio shops, multiple shows, etc. All of them demoed me how music sounded on their equipment. and I loved some, and some I did not care. Of course, I used my ears and that is how I chose my system that you currently see in my profile. Not one demo consisted of measuring anything and then making a decision to buy that equipment. Don't you think it is a bit strange that someone would buy a equipment just to "test" it and not listen to it?

To someone with a hammer everything looks like a nail.

That is so funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣