Grounding cable gauge size

If there was ever a snake oil product, that is it. You are not going to hear a difference in ground cables. It is either grounded or it is not. The reason the ground cable provided with some turntables is super thin gauge is because it prevents a solid or rigid connection, as that would be a path for vibration to travel on. The thin gauge is sort of absorbing vibration like a spring rather than transferring it. You can just use any thin 22 or 24 gauge wire from say an auto parts store or hardware store. If you fancy expensive silver, then use that...it ain't going to make one bit of difference in the sound. No ground? Well then you have an issue(s), such as hum, buzz, erroneous noise etc...

then why do so many otherwise sane people report that they do? This type of uninformed condescension wears very thin from those who have zero hands on experience and simply pontificate from their armchairs

It‘s the why it works I find fascinating..

Hello Ozzy

In my limited experience adding Entreq cables and grounding box (Olympus Tellus) was the crossing of a major threshold, giving a bigger benefit than any other change or addition i have made.

I live somewhere very remote, there are no other buildings in my post (zip) code, and I'm the only property on my outside mains transformer. Internally i have separate spurs powering my source components with a second dedicated to power amps and my subwoofers on the general house circuit. My home has star grounding via rods driven down to reach the water table. And yet, despite all of that,  the transformation when i added the first grounding box was astounding.

All of the things Ozzy said, an opening up of the sound field, more detail, a purer emotional connection to the music, increased dynamics and significant improvements in all the all of the things my system does well, notably bass extension and slam. It's my system on a good day, everyday.

Btw this is what Entreq say regarding mains grounding:

Something to establish is that Entreq’s use of the term Ground does not directly relate to or mean ‘Primary Earth’ i.e. what you would understand as your ‘Protective Earth’ for your mains electricity. Entreq Ground Boxes are not designed to substitute or replace the protective ground found in your home. The function of the Entreq Ground Box is to present itself as an attractive destination for high frequency noise, stray voltages and the various issues induced by magnetic field effects. This pollution is littered across the system and is always present. Different systems attract, generate and produce different levels and types of noise

I would also add that I'm playing with my new Tripoint Elite box, experimenting with differing grounding philosophies; ime Entreq works best with signal grounding, Tripoint with chassis grounding. I would heartily concur that mixing analogue and digital components on the same grounding plane is a no- no, and even mixing chassis and signal grounds from the same component on a single ground plane is undesireable. This would be why both Entreq and Tripoint are going down the route of multiple, disconnected ground planes within each box; the Tripoint offers five grounding planes, as does the new Entreq box, the Olympus Hero

https://www.futureshop.co.uk/entreq-olympus-hero-multi-cell-ground-box?gclid=CjwKCAiAjoeRBhAJEiwAYY3nDM6uk3dfkrAE93ARIh5BfMZDwQ-l6k2SvC72x6a-NxoSgqAjPugOxhoCC8gQAvD_BwE

Thank you gavman for that very helpful information.

I can say that my DIY boxes do seem to be as good as the Entreq Silver Tellus (if perhaps better). I have done a lot of research, and a lot of trial and error in the ingredients that I chose for my DIY versions. Combined they all make a big difference in the sound depth and all the other attributes you have referenced. With the Entreq and my 3 DIY versions I have been able to separate digital, analog and speakers.

All that being said I would like to try a Tripoint unit someday, but they are a little costly,

ozzy

then why do so many otherwise sane people report that they do? This type of uninformed condescension wears very thin from those who have zero hands on experience and simply pontificate from their armchairs

I'm with you 100% on this