Within my DIY ground box, I also add many other ores that possess metallic properties. My theory is that the magnetic mat will add the gravitational pull.
It is just my idea, it may or may not provide additional benefits, that’s why I suggested adding it to the exterior bottom of the box.
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drpie,
The reason I recommended the magnet mat at the bottom of the ingredients is to simulate the earth's natural magnetic pull.
I suppose if you are unsure, you can try it on the outside bottom of the box.
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tksteingraber,
Ok, I would call that signal grounding. I have mine routed to my Entreq/DIY units.
I am using the Russ Andrews device to the chassis of my Lumin X1 power supply and the chassis of my JL CR-1 crossover.
But whatever way improves the sound...
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tksteingraber,
Are you using it as chassis grounding?
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jaymark,
Is the Gutwire just a wire connected to a AC ground? Or is there something else going on inside the cable?
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pedroeb,
What grounding device are you using?
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tecknik,
Well I am still experimenting. I have removed the Russ Andrews ground lead to my Niagara 7000. I think the Niagara does more ground clean up by itself.
So, today I have the Russ Andrews unit leads to the chassis of my Lumin X1 power supply and the JL Audio CR-1.
I am still running separate signal grounds from the rca’s on the equipment to my Entreq/ DIY grounding boxes.
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Yesterday, I disconnected the Russ Andrews unit from the Entreq. I feel the music sounds better with the Russ Andrews unit connected to just my chassis ground. ie; Lumin X1 ground terminal and the AC ground into my Niagara 7000.
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tksteingraber,
I have my Entreq Silver Tellus connected to the (source) RCA’s to my Lumin X1 and JL CR-1 Crossover. No preamp is used.
The Entreq then is also connected to my very large DIY ground box (pictures on my systems page) which also connects my subs and amps via banana’s
The Russ Andrews unit is connected to my:
- Niagara 7000 to a DIY AC plug (with just the ground connected).
- Connected to my Entreq via Banana
- Connected to my Lumin X1 chassis ground terminal on the separate power supply.
My speakers are connected to a couple of my DIY ground box(s) for speakers.
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So to those who care, I have now found that using the Russ Andres device with my Entreq box seems to be the way to go. I am liking the increased depth of the soundstage.
I am also running it to my Niagara 7000 to the AC ground only.
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So I finally received the Russ Andrew Plug In Router. It was held up in customs for a week.
Anyway, I just connected it to chassis grounds, and then tried it to source grounding and finally to my Entreq box and DIY version.
At this point (about a few hours) I can say it does nothing.
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I just ordered a Russ Andrews plug in router. Thanks to those who mentioned it. There is a sale going on, I got it at 25% off. Not sure how long it will take to receive but I will have 60 days to evaluate it.
I’m going to try it in all areas including into my DIY grounding box, Entreq box and maybe just some chassis grounding.
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I recently purchased a Peak 4 made by Entreq. It screws on in place of the wooden lug holders on my Entreq Silver Tellus box. It is said to contain 5 different metals including Tungsten.
It does add clarity to the already great sound I have achieved. I can’t try it on my DIY version though due to the specific thread size.
But it makes me wonder if I should have included some Tungsten to my DIY box(es)
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bugremachine,
The pictures made your boxes much larger than I thought they were. My DIYer is about 18" x 24" x 8".
Also, when you are completed try some brass spikes underneath.
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tksteingraber,
Russ Andrews had no answer.
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Good question. I'll ask that from Russ Andrews website
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bugredmachine,
I am connecting only to the speaker banana/spades on my amps and the rca’s on my subs.
However, I do not think the Carver amps have a separate (3rd wire) ground on the AC line.
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bugredmachine,
I have 4 separate grounding boxes. One for my amps and subwoofers. One for my digital and 2 smaller ones for my speakers. They are all connected via the ground side on a rca/banana. None are connected directly to chassis or to ac ground.
So how would I use the Russ Andrews plug in device?
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I would like to try the Andrews plug, but since I got hum when I tried a ground wire from an AC outlet to my grounding box, I'm not sure if the Andrews device would change that.
I am in the USA, and it would be a long return process.
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I just tried connecting a ground wire from an outlet to my grounding box and I heard hum.
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tksteingraber,
What is the difference between the Russ Andrews unit and just using the ground from the outlet?
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Now I am again amazed what the Entreq grounding box does. I just added a Peak 4 to one of the Silver Tellus terminals. This device is a wooden knob, I guess hollowed out with some metals inside. (I think they claim there is 5 different metals). It just screws on in place of one of the wooden nuts that hold the cable in place.
Son of a gun, this little thing does add more detail. At first I thought it to be a bit too bright especially in the upper midrange/treble area but now a day later has emerged into the soundstage. What I am hearing is more detail throughout.
This sure amazes me since it is only signal grounding. What we don’t know about the crap in the ground connections that is left to discover?
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pedroeb,
Is there a USA version of the Russ Andrews Plug In RF Router?
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Thanks for the replies. I'm not keen on adding an additional earth grounding rod. Mostly I fear that with a lightning strike there would be 2 paths to ground.
I also own a Sorcer X4 and the new I/O unit for usb and ethernet. Great equipment.
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Thanks, Does the device connect up to ac ground and then to what?
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bugredmachine,
Can you post a picture of the Andrew device?
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bugredmachine,
Nice pictures. I still haven't been able to figure out how to post pictures. For now though, I have posted pictures on my systems page of my DIY grounding box.
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gavman,
You should never try to explain this hobby to someone outside of the audiophile community. You will be branded as a nut who spends money foolishly on stupid things. I remember in the old days when I tried to talk to the regulars about my stereo, they would immediately bring up there Bose stereo...
And NEVER try to convince an EE about the electrical benefits of the power cords etc...
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rsf507,
Thank you for that attachment. I am a member of that Forum. There is noise riding on the grounds within our system.
Signal, chassis etc. grounding is still a very unknown area at this point, at least to me, this needs to be investigated further.
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I believe solid silver works the best 16-18 gauge.
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Just talked to a rep from Puritan. He advised against using the Puritan Grandmaster City version to connect up to my Entreq.
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twoleftears,
So, the Groundmaster City costs $250 and cannot be used without the other device the Routemaster that costs $700. Is that correct? Why not sell them as a set?
It also seems that it should be able to be plugged into a Entreq that has 4 connections.
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jew16384,
Thank you for your post but I'm sorry, I don't understand.
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bugredmachine,
You can get Carbon at the tropical fish store look for activated pure carbon. The Graphene and Graphene oxide was purchased via Ebay. Most of the other items can be purchased on Amazon.
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twoleftears,
On the Puritan City, what does the green wire connect up to? Chassis ground, Entreq boxes?
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twoleftears,
I would like to try some king of AC grounding devices, but without the need for a grounding rod.
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gavman,
Zebrano Signature.
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bugredmachine,
Also add some Shungite.
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I tried the SGS and it did not work as well as my DIY or the Entreq. At least in my system.
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I have seen the insides of some of the Entreq units and it mostly looks like the insides of my DIY version. Only mine looks better...
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gavman,
Thank you. As I stated early on in this thread, I still cannot understand what makes the grounding wires so expensive. I am using mostly solid .9999 silver 16-18 ga wire on my DIY boxes, but I do have 2 sets of the Entreq Atlantis cables on the Entreq box. And they are better than my solid silver wires. At least on the Entreq box.
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Thank you gavman for that very helpful information.
I can say that my DIY boxes do seem to be as good as the Entreq Silver Tellus (if perhaps better). I have done a lot of research, and a lot of trial and error in the ingredients that I chose for my DIY versions. Combined they all make a big difference in the sound depth and all the other attributes you have referenced. With the Entreq and my 3 DIY versions I have been able to separate digital, analog and speakers.
All that being said I would like to try a Tripoint unit someday, but they are a little costly,
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Here is what is inside my DIY boxes.
DIY Grounding Box Ingredients.
Magnetic mat placed at the bottom of box.
Crystals- Various types of Tourmalines, Quartz, Topaz
Minerals- Graphite, Graphene, Manganese Dioxide, Iron oxide, Zinc Sulphate, Carbon.
Wire- 10-gauge 9999 silver wire, chopped up 9999 silver ribbon pieces, 10-gauge 999 copper. Aluminum pieces.
Copper 101 sheets, copper chop, silver pieces.
Graphene Oxide.
Shungite 200 grams total. 100 main box 50 each speaker boxes. Plus, I added another pound of raw Shungite. ½lb to main box ¼lb to each speaker box.
Rochelle salt 2 pounds. 1 pound main, ½ pound speaker boxes.
Oil Dry compound placed outside of copper sheets for “earth”.
And of course, a few large wooden cigar boxes.
Note: I just added pictures of these DIY boxes at the end of my systems page,
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bugredmachine,
Well, I have each speaker negative terminal connected via a silver wire to (2) small separate different DIY boxes. The amps and subs are also connected via a silver solid wire to one large DIY box with a separate terminal on each end. The Dac, etc. are connected to the Entreq Silver Tellus via a couple of their Atlantis grounding cables.
These are all signal ground connections. I used to be able to hear a faint low-level sound through the speakers from the tube amps at about 4’ away. Today, I have to practically put my ear inside the speaker to even hear try to hear anything.
Of course, that is without music playing. LOL!
And the sound quality is amazing these days very deep sound stage. I am impressed.
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I have my speaker's negative terminal grounded into one of my DIY grounding boxes. If anyone is interested, I can share the ingredients. And perhaps some pictures on my systems page.
Others with more experience in this type of grounding can answer.
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tksteingraber,
Always keep an open mind and experiment. You will not only improve your listening pleasure but also have fun on the journey.
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cakyol,
I have found that sometimes logic doesn’t always translate to audio reality. Especially when it comes to all things in this hobby.
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bugredmachine,
Ok, thanks for the response on the NPS 1260. I may try it anyway...
Question: Grounding from the outlet. If not to the Entreq or my DIY versions, then grounded to what? The chassis?
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I also have made some DIY speaker ground boxes and was also amazed at how well they work.
Be curious to hear how the NPS 1260 works, I have some but have not tried it on those connectors.
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bugrIedmachine.
I wonder if I ran a ground wire from the AC outlet ground to my Entreq with the signal grounds, would be a good thing?
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