Second opinions — how have others (including non-audiophiles) helped you?


Have been building a system since December 2020, just about at a place where I can rest for a while. Very enjoyable process of researching, trying, listening. Last phase, room treatments, are just about done.

Along the way, it's been very useful to bring in other family members and some close friends to listen and tell me what they hear. Most are non-audiophiles. But what jumped out to them helped me recalibrate what I was attending to and listen anew.

I was really trying to listen critically — sometimes with checklists of qualities to pay attention to. But myopia is a hard problem to see around, if you will. In some very important moment (including speaker tryouts), they pointed to obvious problems which I was missing.

Here's one recent example. I had been trying to tame some bass peaks and loaded the front of the room up with panels. I got those peaks under control — tight bass, well placed imaging, natural sounding instruments. Then, I had my wife sit down, and in a couple of seconds she noticed that things sounded "constrained" and "missing air." I pulled a couple bass traps out of there and things opened up — "Ah, that's better," she said. As I sat to listen, she was right. Better reverb, more space, lightness.

That's just one example. My question to anyone wanting to share is how other people (including non-audiophiles) helped you improve your system.
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interesting thread..

I am only interested in Heaven IF my trusty Labrador is there..

Interestingly there are many words with no equivalent in another language...

Few artists and perhaps fewer scientists lack a muse or foundation...

As my sensei ( one of the inventors and refiners of Kaizen and the Toyota production system ) says: “ Everyone needs a sensei, even the change agent requires a change agent “

so I seek out others, rooms, systems, thoughts, tastes, etc... Normally I bring wine.
@steakster are you still in LA ? i am in Carlsbad Winters...when we exit lockdown..come down for music and fellowship, i enjoyed your post greatly....
"I apologize if my opinion has hurt your faith...."
No harm done. I don't believe I have much faith to be hurt. As indicated above, I agree with your point that the development and refinement of our language expands our conceptual realm. But, language and concepts arise from and exist within, to use hilde45's words, something pre-conceptual, pre-linguistic, i.e. a conscious backdrop or 'ground of being'. This is where our direct experience happens. 
But, language and concepts arise from and exist within, to use hilde45’s words, something pre-conceptual, pre-linguistic, i.e. a conscious backdrop or ’ground of being’. This is where our direct experience happens.
You are perfectly right for sure...

i called that after Owen Barfield, "original participation"...And your remark is perfect phenomenological observation...

I will only add that this "grounding" is the root of will for Schopenhauer, the root of feeling for the Romantics, and the root of thinking for Nietszche...

Then we understand each other.....My first reply was  about the very important  difference between the Cartesian duality and the Goethean polarity....

You were right i react too swiftly sometimes because i like discussion and with my retirement from work and confinement i even argue with my shadow....

My best to you....
Thank you, @xenolith for what amounts to your audio system CV! Wonderful. I don't want to introduce a detour to the OP, but "the recreation of the recorded event in our living room" is an idea I understand but it cannot, of course, be taken literally. The sound of an orchestra in your living room would have to be miniaturized; no one wants the Ramones in there, either; heavily produced multi-track recordings are not events but collages, and so what is to be produced by a system? Some kind of rendition-that-is-pleasing but not a "recreation." And EDM or ambient music, same thing. There are some ensembles that a system could be seeking to recreate -- a duo or trio, etc. But most people want their systems to do more than just create a holo-deck version of that limited menu of "recreate-ables." I do think there's something to the concept of "fidelity" -- a clarinet sounds like a clarinet in timbre and tonality and even spaciousness. But that is less than what some take to be implied by "recreation." Cheers!