Second opinions — how have others (including non-audiophiles) helped you?


Have been building a system since December 2020, just about at a place where I can rest for a while. Very enjoyable process of researching, trying, listening. Last phase, room treatments, are just about done.

Along the way, it's been very useful to bring in other family members and some close friends to listen and tell me what they hear. Most are non-audiophiles. But what jumped out to them helped me recalibrate what I was attending to and listen anew.

I was really trying to listen critically — sometimes with checklists of qualities to pay attention to. But myopia is a hard problem to see around, if you will. In some very important moment (including speaker tryouts), they pointed to obvious problems which I was missing.

Here's one recent example. I had been trying to tame some bass peaks and loaded the front of the room up with panels. I got those peaks under control — tight bass, well placed imaging, natural sounding instruments. Then, I had my wife sit down, and in a couple of seconds she noticed that things sounded "constrained" and "missing air." I pulled a couple bass traps out of there and things opened up — "Ah, that's better," she said. As I sat to listen, she was right. Better reverb, more space, lightness.

That's just one example. My question to anyone wanting to share is how other people (including non-audiophiles) helped you improve your system.
hilde45

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"Very deep observation indeed...

We cannot perceive adequately a phenomenon for which we have no concept whatsoever...And further we cannot improve our perception of this phenomenon if we cannot even name it..."

Agreed, more or less. Brain architecture, if it's not there there is blackness, void, nothingness, non-experience. Perception needs the processor, and language takes us into the conceptual realm. But there is also the immediate, gut level perception that needs no language. Language often gets in the way of and can distort the visceral, animal level, immediate experience of things. 
"I apologize if my opinion has hurt your faith...."
No harm done. I don't believe I have much faith to be hurt. As indicated above, I agree with your point that the development and refinement of our language expands our conceptual realm. But, language and concepts arise from and exist within, to use hilde45's words, something pre-conceptual, pre-linguistic, i.e. a conscious backdrop or 'ground of being'. This is where our direct experience happens. 
"Before replying to a post arguing for your agenda read the post 2 times....And try to read about polarities in Coleridge...."

Forgive me, I was wrong. Previously I thought you were considerate, well mannered and good natured. Now I have see multiple occasions where you turn simple exchange into defensive argument. Enjoy your God. Enjoy your concepts.
"Gut feeling and conceptualization are polarities in the human being...Not dualities... Polarities"

"it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God".

Concepts are the baggage that doesn't allow those who cling to them to pass through the eye of the needle. I don't quibble with the polarity/duality distinction, but concepts require extension in time. To enter the kingdom of God you go naked and alone... no concepts allowed.
"You were right i react too swiftly sometimes" As do I. 

"It routinely produces drug-like levels of endorphins and occasionally tears of joy." Can't say I routinely find this, but I do know it's exactly what I am seeking. After all, who doesn't want to get high on their own supply?