Tone controls -- assuming you're ok with them, when would you try them?


So, I'm learning and experimenting w/ speaker/sub placement. I've had some success. Presently using my old Adcom GTP-400 preamp (treble, bass, and loudness/contour controls). It's likely my next amps won't have tone controls (nor balance). 

Beyond compensating for old/bad recordings, I realize there is, nevertheless, a standing debate whether tone controls are worth the (likely) sound degradation. Imagine that debate was settled and tone controls were deemed worthwhile, overall. IF you'll stipulate to all that, my question is this:

QUESTION: If the sound is not right in your room, and you've placed speakers as best you can, what do you try next? At what point do you go for tone controls?

Perhaps some just go for tone controls from the get-go…happy to hear from you all, too.

FWIW, I saw this nice list from @erik_squires on this topic:   
erik_squires8,293 posts
08-19-2017 11:06am
Tone controls help us compensate for differences in recording trends across decades of recordings.
Tone controls help us adjust our sound quality to different listening situations and volumes.
Tone controls help us adjust for speaker placement.
Tone controls are much cheaper and more efficient way of doing this than most other solutions.
A good tone control is a lot easier to implement than a good equalizer. Fewer bands so more affordable to use high quality parts.

128x128hilde45
I have found that people who love tone controls & room correction gizmos do so because they don't want acoustic treatments plastered all over the walls of the Home & Garden living room.
IMO this remixes the original sound.Closer to the truth reproduction requires acoustic treatments & proper placement not digital or analog reediting.
" QUESTION: If the sound is not right in your room, and you've placed speakers as best you can, what do you try next? At what point do you go for tone controls?"

From the beginning if it seems something is just not "right", but only a hair size adjustment at a time.  I usually only adjust the treble(+ or -) and maybe the balance knob based on whether I sit on the sofa or love seat.  The controls on my Yamaha A-S1000 integrated amp are probably the best implemented ones I have ever used. 

Bill
Well, thanks for quoting me but I want to address a couple of things:

a standing debate whether tone controls are worth the (likely) sound degradation

This is very equipment specific. My current integrated, a Luxman, has totally transparent tone controls. I can’t hear them do more to the sound than I want. My previous Parasound P7 pre however noticeably veiled the sound when engaged, so this seems to be specific to the implementation.

Also, audiophiles are curious creatures. We don’t always think about pros and cons, we think exclusively of the cons, or we ignore the cons of whatever our trendy solution might be. Too bright? Well, let’s’ go spending thousands of dollars on interconnects until we get it right!!

Lastly, I do think in our genetically transmitted knowledge, audiophiles too often equate modest tone controls with the heavy handed use of noisy, crappy EQ’s from the 80’s.

what do you try next?

Room acoustics are always a place to start.

At what point do you go for tone controls?

Whenever you want to. It’s not as if you are going to taint yourself or be arrested. The police won’t come and take away your gear. Take some deep breaths and try it in the privacy of your own home. Draw the shades if you are afraid of being seen. :)  But, don't try to fix a speaker with them. If a speaker doesn't sound right to you most of the time, and the room isn't it, chances are that's what needs to change for you.

For me, typically though it is late at night. I find the loudness switch a real benefit to listening at low volumes.  It's a lot better than having two pairs of spaekers, one for late night, one for the afternoon. :)

Above all, try it. Ask yourself what your own benefits and issues are when you use tone controls. :)

Best,

E
@erik_squires I always love your answers.
Good point about the gear. I'd heard that about Luxman.
"It’s not as if you are going to taint yourself or be arrested."
LOL!
I hear you about room acoustics, and I know there are ways of dealing with that that does not require specialty equipment, necessarily.
When I lived in apartments, loudness buttons were frequently useful.