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There's a lot more bass in a 6.5" driver than most of you think

One topic of discussion I often see new audiophiles touch on is whether to get larger speakers for more bass.

I usually suggest they tune the room first, then re-evaluate. This is based on listening and measurement in several apartments I’ve lived in. Bigger speakers can be nothing but trouble if the room is not ready.


In particular, I often claim that the right room treatment can make smaller speakers behave much larger. So, to back up my claims I’d like to submit to you my recent blog post here:

https://speakermakersjourney.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-snr-1-room-response-and-roon.html


Look at the bass response from those little drivers! :)


I admit for a lot of listeners these speakers won’t seem as punchy as you might like, but for an apartment dweller who does 50/50 music and theater they are ideal for me. If you’d like punchy, talk to Fritz who aligns his drivers with more oomf in the bass.


erik_squires
erik_squires OP
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Kenjit

I don't know what I like most about your posts, the personally insulting tone or the flat earth perspective you have on science and engineering.

Best,

Erik
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4krowme
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I finally got the bass that I really like. It is from a folded horn design that is only 40T  15D  10W. It uses an 8" driver, but here is the kick. I had the pleasure of being able to try different drivers in this cabinet. One of them was an Audio Nirvana driver which is a respectable driver when used in the right cabinet. This marriage wasn't good at all. Muddy bass. No problem, I went to a Mark Audio 12P 8" driver. Here is what bothered me. The actual cone area is 4 3/4". Crap, says I, why even try it? In short, it produces incredibly accurate bass in my room as deep as I want. Don't understand all the physics, etc, but I have no desire to try the next driver (8" Silver Flute). Size matters, not here.
murphythecat
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ive compared hundreds of speakers at this point, ive never heard any 6 inch 2 way sounds anything but a toy vs a pair of real Tannoy, JBL, or whatever big speaker. so you either drive a lawnmower or a ferrari, your choice

treating the room instead of trying to compensate the bad room with a limited speaker is the path to long term satisfaction ime

someone mentionned the alpair 12p, I loved my pair when i had them. but to say it has tremendous bass just goes to show how relative this hobby is. jbl l300 has tremendous bass, not alpair 12p 
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4krowme
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The Alpair 12P would likely fail in bass response given a conventional cabinet, i.e. ported, bass reflex, sealed box. I was actually expecting that sort of performance from them regardless of the fact that they were being mounted in a folded horn. If I had no experience with folded horns in the past, I would come to the same conclusion as you. FWIW, I owned a pair of JBL 4343, you know, the ones with 15" woofers? Never could get decent bass performance from them. Owned them in 3 separate houses, with different amplification too. Yah, I wouldn't have believed it either.
erik_squires OP
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treating the room instead of trying to compensate the bad room with a limited speaker is the path to long term satisfaction ime

I agree.

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