Have Pre/Power amps had there day?


Deleberately provocative and of course, nonsense, but has the old upgrade path of integrated, pre/power, then pre monoblocks, become old fashioned. I don't want to rehearse all the old arguments, clearly pre/power combinations give flexibility and keep noisy output power supplies and output transformers separate from the low voltage pre inputs. My question revolves around the plethora of quality integrated amps becoming available. They have always been around and some companies like Mcintosh have ploughed a lonely furrow for years.
Most companies still produce statement pre amp/ monoblocks at the top of the range, but integrated amps seem to be appearing at higher points in the range of many manufacturers and also with high outputs in some cases(Music Fidelity have a 500Watt unit now). I am not sure why, is it demand, or improvements in power supplies etc, which allow for high quality integrated amps with low noise levels.
Whatever the reason, over the last few years, the likes of Bryston, Krell, Jolida, Cary, Jadis, Music Fidelity, Art Audio, have bought out integrated amps which appear to garner warm recommendation. So I pose the question again, should we be moving back to the integrated. In the real world, spending our own hard earned cash, most of us will not be buying the top of the range reference products anyway and there are clear cost advantages to an integrated; single chassis, one less interconnect etc, plus theoretical gains if the noise problem can be solved. For example shorter signal paths.
I have taken the step back to an integrated, Viva Solista and am delighted. Clearly there are no universal answers, but have others followed a similar path?
david12
The amount of pre's and amps still being made tells me no. Even the home theater crowd have plenty of multi channel separate amps to choose from. For those of us who want the very best quality and have the room separates will remain the main choice. Integrateds sure have become more popular though.
I don't think so, integrated only works if your happy with the preamp and the amp in the unit...audiophiles like to explore so integrated is not for everyone.

Also, while there are higher power units on the market as you mention...in the larger picture that number is still very small when compared to power amps, so again...limitations for some.

If your happy, then you have not taken a step back.

Dave
In theory I would think one less interconnect in the system would be a plus. Interestingly, Simaudio's well repected line of pre/power and monoblocks, for example, are outsold by their I-5 intergrated. I understand a new moon 1-7 intergrated is coming to market so there has to be a growing market. Look at the beautiful Jeff Roland digital integrated. If I had the cash I would buy the Jeff Roland and forget about separates....interesting times ahead...isn't this hobby great?
I think/hope not. I would prefer to see a trend towards being able to power drivers independently. I suspect that newer digital gear and surround sound may actually make it more affordable to more people in the near future.
I am not sure I agree with fedreams that its a fad, if it is, then it will cost the manufacturers money. Integrated amps are so much more cost effective. This particularly applies to tube amps, where adding an input selector and volume control may add only a couple of hundred dollars to the price. One issue then becomes the quality of a pre amp section. By definition it will only be passive, but the short signal path should'nt make that a problem,. The qualitor of the potentiometer or resistors in the volume control matters of course and as mentioned earlier, the ability to isolate noisy transformers from the preamp section.
I am not suggesting we should all shift to integrated amps, but that the range and variety of high quality tube and SS units becoming available, make that choice a viable and cost effective one, in even quite high end systems.