What's My Problem?


OK, here's the situation . . . . hoping some of you with more knowledge and experience than I have can help me out.

On 2-channel listening, my system sounds great at low levels -- say at 9 o'clock or less on my VPC-1 passive preamp volume. Lots of openness and air, good imaging, lots of space around instruments. Of course, dynamics and bass suffer, but that's to be expected.

Between 9 and 12, the sound starts to get harsher and the soundstage begins to close up -- orchestral stuff sounds much more confused and congested. Above 12 o'clock, it's really not worth listening to.

These aren't very high levels -- 9 o'clock is my "late night with the wife sleeping down the hall" listening level, and 12 o'clock doesn't get Verdi's "Requiem" to real-life SPLs.

My first assumption is that my amplifier just doesn't have enough juice. But the RB981 puts about 200 wpc into a 4 ohm load, and I would think that would be enough to get to at least decent levels, even with my admittedly power-hungry NHT 2.3As . . . .

Alternately, I thought that maybe the 9000ES/RB981 combo wasn't ideally suited for a passive preamp. I understand that component matching is critical here, but I'm not really clear on how it works . . . . the volume gets loud enough with no problem, it's just that the quality suffers.

Then again, it could simply be "louder=more annoyance from digital harshness," and I need to replace the 9000ES with a better Redbook CDP. But it seems to me that if the CDP was to blame, the soundstage and "airy-ness" wouldn't change much as the volume increased.

Suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

Pat
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Does you still have the problem if you take the passive out of the system and use the lexicon as your pre? As Gregm says the impedance of a transister based passive changes as volume changes and if you have very few steps on your volume control you could drive your amp to clip at a very low setting on the volume control. Is that passive a good match for your cdp,amp and cables?
Sounds like a mis-match to me. I don't think it's power-starved clipping at all, but a disparity between the output impedance of the passive pre-amp and a low amplifier input impedance. If the RB-981 has an input impedance of less than 47K ohms (26K, 32k ?), then it very well could be the source of distortion at moderate volume settings. This could also be made worse by long interconnects and the 86db efficiency of the NHT's. Just runs out of steam...
Wow -- thanks for the great response!!

I've got some more info:

I had an idea that I SHOULD have had earlier, but didn't think of until I saw Warrenh's post mentioned changing amps OR SPEAKERS. Well, I have three other pairs of NHT speakers in my HT rig, all of which are 8 ohm and easier loads to drive than the 2.3As. I picked the 2.1s, which are full range and with almost the same driver complement as the 2.3As, but with a slightly shorter cabinet and an 8 ohm impedence.

I moved out the 2.3As and put the 2.1s in the same spot -- didn't tweak them, and the 2.1s don't have the NHT Spike Kit bars on the bottoms, either, but I figured it would give me an idea.

It did . . . .

The 2.1s absolutely blew the 2.3As away. The soundstage started big and got BIGGER as the volume increased, the harshness was noticeably decreased, and the bass was much more solid, in spite of the fact that the 2.3A is supposed to go lower . . . .

So I think we can safely say that the problem is some sort of issue with the Rotel driving the 2.3As. I'm going to play around some with your other suggestions, including going back to A/B through the Lexicon. Gs5556, I think the input impedence of the Rotel is 27K, although I am using 2 foot interconnects with a fairly low capacitance between both CDP/preamp and preamp/Rotel.

I'm going to be annoyed if it's the preamp . . . . just bought that, and I really like the sound (or lack thereof) with it in the system as opposed to the Lexicon . . . .

I'll keep everyone posted, and again, thanks VERY much for all the help!

Pat
Used Vandy 1b or 1c can be the same price as your new NHT but they can work great with weak and low-powered amps due to the stable impedance. Also for the vertually same amount of funds you can change for small Creek integrated to replace your separates that also has passive preamplification part and there you can start to listen to the music if you love one.
test #1.Could you connect the 9000ES directly to the Rotel power amp and play a not-too loud CD (even beter does the 9000es have a variable output ?).
test #2Alternatively borrow a friend's CD player with a variable output , connect directly to the rotel, and see if it sounds better than your preamp at higher levels.
test#3 borrow an active preamp and experiment.

If any of the above experiments produce the same over-aggressive sound then it might be that the amp is underpowered. Marakanetz was correct to point out that not all watts are the same (well, they are, but the way manufacturers measure them varies). Rotel is a bit of a middle-of-the-road manufacturer ... not at all bad, good value for money, but not all that great either.

If either or both of the above produce a loud, but not so aggressive sound then it would indicate that the preamp is the probably cause of the problems. I don't know why this might be, but it could be an impedance mismatch (since it's a passive pre). In this case switching to an active preamp might solve your problems.

I very much doubt the Sony CD player is the root of the problems.

Good luck.