Your picks of mediocre or lousy vocals with great musicians!


I nominate the following:
Michael Franks
Pat Benatar
Mik Jagger
Billy Idol
and...
Michael Jackson

czarivey
I had to state in other words:

I like to listen to Michael Franks when he’s not singing
I like to listen to Billy Idol, when he’s not singing
I like to listen to Rolling Stones when Mick Jagger isn’t singing.
Same thing with Pat Benatar, Joni Mitchell, Michael Jackson and Bob Dylan.

I like to listen to Jimi Hendrix when he plays and sings.
I like to listen to Billy Joel when he plays and sings.
Same to Tom Waits, Adrean Belew, Ry Cooder and many others...

Marty, Johann’s day job was as a church organist, and it was his main axe ;-). He wrote a LOT of music for organ---it gave him something to play! Wasn’t the fortepiano (the predecessor of the piano) already around in J.S.’s time? I absolutely (no pun intended!) love his harpsichord works.

I realize my opinion of Hendrix’s guitar playing is an extreme minority one. I don’t think I’m "right", and don’t expect everyone, or even anyone, to agree with me. I mentioned him only in my attempt to satisfy Slaws suggestion that I define "great" in regards to musicians. In order to do so, I felt I needed to put it in the larger context of music itself. Which brought up the subject of songs. I really, really love songs, and have a very well defined and specific idea of what constitutes a real, real good one. That idea appears to differ from that of some others here, which is, of course, fine. It’s all good!

I have played with a lot of guitarists (and some bassists) who hold Jimi’s guitar playing in very high regard, and I fully realize he revolutionized the playing of the instrument. I view Jimi’s playing as I do that of Jazz musicians; It’s more about the instrument itself, and exploring it’s possibilities, than of playing a song as a song. The song itself is the framework, or skeleton, upon which the music is built. What I hunger for from music is not generally provided by that type of music. Improvisation and soloing provide one kind of musical high, I’m looking for a different kind.

In Jimi’s music, there is no harmony singing, and very little melody of any interest or substance. The chords and their progressions are bone stock, heard a million times before. Jazz music is often musicians improvising or soloing on the same chord for what seems like an eternity. Not all Jazz, no. But the chords used in Jazz are commonly "self-consciously" sophisticated, and kind of corny. I refer you to the dreadful, unintentionally hilarious Steely Dan. Such music is of absolutely no interest to me. To each his own!

Sorry Bdp,

Right you are.

However, my point was not that Bach composed on harpsichord, but that he didn't have a piano (as did Mozart) available.  That instrument's arrival changed technology in a way that demanded IMO new avenues of expression.  Mozart obliged, as IMO did (if on a lesser scale) the electric guitarists and synthesizer-ists (new word!) I mentioned in that post.

So, mea culpa on the error.  It certainly should have read "organ and harpsichord".  Hopefully, my point - even if you don't buy it - was clear despite the poor choice of words.
Yup Marty, I do buy your point. Mozart is the master of the piano concerto and sonata. I actually prefer harpsichord to piano though, and am very grateful for the "authenticity" movement that brought back the instrument. Such sophistication and dignity!
It seems to me that those posting here come with differing points of view:
(1) Musicians
(2) Hobbyists
(3)Those in-between
I respect those views. EX: If I, as a hobbyist, say an artist is great, a musician will most likely say that artist is "skilled". This is a point of contention here, I believe.
I believe I was put off initially by the OP's title. "Lousy vocals". This really got under my skin.
The reason it got under my skin was, the very thought of saying "lousy vocal" implies that one has NO appreciation for artists that aren't tonally correct and/or have less than optimal vocal range/ability.
This term "lousy", should have been the subject of one poster's response..."panties in a bunch".. IMO. A more appropriate term could have been, "less than stellar"? Get my drift? This would have been more acceptable to all and much less offensive to everyone!
The preface for this thread was (wrong) in it's wording by all accounts. It doesn't take into consideration the passion an artist has that can transcend spotty vocals and can make their song better than another, that may have perfect vocals. 
...I do believe, when all of the dust settles, we have handled this much better than our current politicians have handled their debates! This is suppose to be a humorous gesture. Cheers!


Bob Dylan
.mediocre voice? yes
.mediocre musician? yes
.not enough superlatives to describe his music? absolutely YES
All of my favorites are flawed (Garcia, Dylan, Young, etc.) but absolutely remarkable. I don't have the stomach for "american idol" type musicians. I'll take emotion and character any day over smooth and predictable.
Pat Benatar poor vocally? You might want to schedule a hearing test! The definitive answer eludes me but David Bowie had a voice that makes me nauseous. Not sure how talented his band(s)(studio musicians) were but they had to have much more talent then his over the top vocal theatrics!
I enjoy listening to Pat Benatar band, but not her regardless of her voice quality and yes with many others... How about Patricia Barber? I’d simply like her to shut up and just play piano with her band. Does she have poor voice? Really not sure.

Czarivey-Spot on! Patricia Barber is best used for audio demos not listening pleasure!
I never cared for Bowie's voice either, frankly.  Then I found out he patterned himself after Anthony Newley, who I could not stand to listen to, so it all added up.  Different strokes for different folks--I'm sure I listen to artists who make some people's skin crawl.
I wasn't going to say anything (taste being just a matter of taste), but I'm right with ya tostadosunidos. I found Bowie not only reminiscent of Newley, but just as vapid an "entertainer". And contrived and calculated as well. No offense, Bowie fans.