@cmariner1 Wow, what a crew of deluded nit pickers. I'll bet a leg that not one of you could tell the difference in a coat hanger or one of these rip off cables. Some people can hear a notable difference. Some cannot, with no need beyond zip cord or a coat hanger for speaker cables. Good for them! |
Just make sure to use the plastic coated ones if you adopt a twisted pair configuration.
In outback Australia coat hangers are considered a bit OTT and recycled fencing wire is usually considered perfectly adequate. Wasting ya’ money @cmarineri. |
And once again, I jump off a thread I started because the capacity of civil dialogue falls apart. Thanks to those who gave serious and polite replies. |
@hilde45, another alternative could be Furutech’s FS-alpha, a discontinued product that could be found at very reasonable pricing. The successor is FS-a36, still OCC. |
What about PCOCC vs OCC? Real or merely a marketing ploy? Does that claimed super purity actually exist, and if so, does it make a difference? |
The "PC" just stands for pure copper pre-pended to OCC, and possibly different source providers of the copper itself. A 6moons article for reference, and who knows where the real story originated or what is true. The conductor is part of the design, not all of it. Designs, dielectrics, connector ends vary from one mfg to the next. Demo & listen if you can! Clip; "For many years the copper wire used in Oyaide cables was supplied by Furukawa famed for their PCOCC copper. That stands for pure copper Ohno continuous cast. It’s a method developed in 1986 by Dr. Atsumi Ohno at the Chiba Institute."... https://6moons.com/audioreviews2/oyaide/1.html |
Furukawa stopped manufacturing PCOCC some years ago, so Furutech, Acoustic Revive Oyaide, Acrolink, are now using PC Triple C or OCC-DUCC for their better products. Both are more advanced methods in metallurgy than PCOCC. |
OCC is from my experience a much improved wire over OFC, and over the years I have exchanged from OFC to OCC in Copper and Silver on most IC's. I use Mapleshade Speaker Cable and can't vouch if this is a OCC Wire.
In recent months I have commenced with trials on PC Triple C and D.U.C.C Wire. At present the PC Triple C Wire is remaining in the positions I have used it, and when attached to other devices there is noticeable changes, that I am coming to terms with. I need more PC Triple C cables to fully understand the overall benefits throughout the system. |
@pindac Totally agree. I did A/B between Analysis Plus OFC and OCC and the difference was stark. I had a friend switch without me knowing. I could always tell. Upper range opened up, got wider and clearer. I understand the difference now and won't go back. This was true with both digital cable and also with interconnects. |
PC Triple-C copper is what Yamaha uses in their A-S3200 and A-S2200 integrateds. They claim it sounds much better with that cabling.
All the best, Nonoise |
So it appears that the claims of super purification appear to be valid. At their time of release there were naysayers (even metallurgists) claiming that five and six nines copper could not actually be formulated at a non astronomical cost, and that the whole concept was all a big scam. |
I am quite sold on the idea to keep on with the PC Triple C vs OCC Comparisons. D.U.C.C is more difficult to source at a price that makes the initial investigations cost effective. I have a D.U.C.C being returned to me this week it has been out on loan, and had a extended loan due to the COVID Restrictions on travel. When this is returned I will reinstate a Dual Mono Volume Control Pre Amp' > Mono Block Power Amp's. This set up will allow me to create the same trial conditions that produced the evidence that OFC was bettered by OCC in my system. A Wire Type can be used as a Single Wire per channel and evaluated as a single channel. The Channels can be closely balanced to see where the Centre is set. With Different Wires in use there is rarely a equal setting on a VC Knob to produce a Centre Image. The Wires can then be Matched Per Channel and assessed as a Single Channel only and then brought to a Stereo Setting with a Centre Image. It don't take long to find a Cable that can offer a good impression using this method. It will progress to be a exercise at all Interfaces with a IC Connection.
To date the impressions being made are very good and in favour of PC Triple C on my system. The Tag Wires was an immediate Keeper experience. The PC Triple C Power Chord has got me, I am keen to introduce this wire to all my devices. The recently introduced Din Plug PC Triple C Phono Cable in place of OCC Silver is immediate, the PC Triple C is a Keeper, the added dimension of perceived realism is very attractive. The perception went from knowing a breath was being taken to visualising the Breath, from knowing there is a audience on a recording to perceiving the shape of the audience from the front to rear rows and into the stalls.
I like the idea that with the New PC Triple C Cables becoming available and the already owned OCC Cables a method might also be adopted where the different Wire is used at different interfaces allowing for a Tuning of the SQ to suit a preference.
The Stock of PC triple C in use and to be put into use, has now increased. There is now a Head Shell Tag Wire, Din Plug Phono Cable with the same wire as the earth, Solid Core Speaker Cable, 20 AWG Stranded Wire, 18 AWG Stranded Wire Power Cable and a length of PC Triple C/EX Stranded Wire this one is costly. |
@hide45, Glad you did not jump off. I am much interested in this thread. |
navships, have his wire throughout entire system, Best bang for the buck. and very low priced, $50-$100, high tech aero space/navy wire |
AP OFC VS. OCC (Crystal)
Comparing the Analysis Plus OFC (Copper Oval-In Micro) cable versus the next-level-up Analysis Plus OCC (Crystal), there is an audible difference for sure. I have both types and compare both periodically. Both are nice cables and do sound quite different from one another.
AP Crystal OCC: On my system, not only is the occ crystal version more open and wider as noted by @hilde45, these cables also have:
-more low end extension of BASS -SMOOTHER sound, no edge or grain -larger/wider SOUNDSTAGE (yes)
Woah: The first time I tried a pair of the AP "Crystal" OCC cables it was so different for a split second I thought an input tube on one of my mono tube amps had gone microphonic or something. Switched back to OFC, nope. They OCC cable is just so much lager, wider, spatial. Kind of intimidating at first and they do need lots of settling in. At first, It took a while to comprehend and appreciate the difference after having used all sorts of different OFC, pure copper, silver over copper cables from other top manufacturers. They pass-thru what is there from the source, good or bad. If you want a veiled over passive filter type interconnect or speaker cable, the AP "Crystal" OCC cables are not it. After getting use to the occ crystal cables ended up going back and swapping CAPs on my DAC and re-rolling a bunch of different input tubes on my preamplifier and amplifiers, now hearing input tube changes more than ever with AP OCC Crystal cables. Would have not believed it myself until I finally demoed a few pairs and bought some.
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@mesch Glad it's beneficial. The quality of the company is still high enough! No sociopaths ruling the thread, yet. |
As there has been a suggestion that DIY Cable 'might' be a consideration, even though the quality of the Termination might not match a professional Quality. To produce a solder joint can be practiced on any cheapo wire with a cheap Solder. It won't take long before the handling of the materials and reactions of the materials to heat are understood. At this stage a clean looking even coated joint is not far away.
The chosen materials can be put on the work bench and once done have a continuity test with a multimetre. Once that the Bleep is continuous the cables are good to use as are, or have a cosmetic finish used on the joint if wanted.
The Double Helix Thread on the Cables Section is sure to inspire. |
The chosen materials can be put on the work bench and once done have a continuity test with a multimetre. Unfortunately a multimeter is not sensitive enough to detect a crudely terminated connection which will deteriorate the sound, it will only detect non contact or gross defects. In the end it all comes down to experience and knowing how a good solder joint flows and what it looks like. Having the right iron, the right temperature, the right solder and everything held solid in some kind of a jig are fundamental to achieving success. |
On Friday of this week a opportunity was taken to visit a friend now we can visit to anothers Home in the UK. COVID restrictions on Travel are eased and well received.
During this Visit the Resident HiFi was on the agenda, as well as Cables. Three Cables were put to use as Tonearm Phono Cables.
OCC is the resident Cable Wire, D.U.C.C Wireand PC Triple C Wire were to be compared to OCC and each other.
OCC was first in use and it was delivering the performance to the ususal very high standard.
The exchange to D.U.C.C was immediately noticeable, there was a clearer insight to the presentation. The Vocal became noticeably separated and the space around certain instruments was present. A richness was also perceived, which was a addition to the authority of the performance.
The PC Triple C was the last up for the demonstration. This was even more noticeable for the Clarity Perceived over the OCC. There was a lift and lightness/finesse noticed to be present across the frequency range. The off centre seat was also offering a insight into the performance with an added information, when not in the Centre Seat the performance did not appear to be at a loss. The sound stage had taken on a new dimension. Both the system owner and myself were of the opinion that the PC Triple C has produced a delivery that is feeling much more real and honest when compared to OCC. We were as a end discussion wondering how the combination of PC Triple C and D.U.C.C would combine. The thoughts were the Clarity of the two wires are very similar, the extra lift and dimension of the soundstage of PC Triple C, along with separation ability and rich tone offering from the D.U.C.C could be a wonderful marriage. |
petg60, I was just reading up on that they're not more advanced or better they're just a different way of making OCC single Crystal one is not better than the other.
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