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Didactically, you, STILL, haven't answered the question posed to you, about your system. What's that about? Don't be afraid. We'll be gentle. Even if it's a Radio Shack Realistic amp you own, or an old Zenith victrola. lol. you're not off to a good start...peace, warren |
Actually, I think that high end audio has much in common with boating. There are many different styles of boats; all will do things differently. Each boater/audiophile will have different needs and different biases. Some people want pounding base, others want midrange sweetness and clarity, while others want a high frequency response to the moon. I also want a seamless presentation throughout the frequency range. This is usually a tough challenge for a hybrid electrostatic or planar driver mated with a conventional dynamic woofer. I enjoy the sound of tubes over transistors. I have been to 3 CES/The Show in Las Vegas, and I can walk into a room, and without looking at the gear, determine whether it's a tube or transistor system over 90% of the time. And tubes usually have MUCH more distortion than transistors!
Didactically, you seem to be chanting some kind of parroted manta that you've cloned from alleged gurus rather than insightful comparisons. Your dogma about "true fidelity" is laughable! Underpowered amps have ruined far more speakers via clipping, than overpowered amps frying speakers. Your statement, "I believe the only reference for what is 'best' in recording and playback is the live music in the environment in which it is recorded, or 'true to the original'... ", is also paradoxical. ANY electronic instrument run through a mixing board, and processed is not "original". And you would need to duplicate the physical dimensions and construction of the recording studio, as well as duplicating the entire amplification chain and identical model of speakers used in that particular recording studio! Furthermore, fidelity changes will occur at the mastering studio as well.
Assuming a perfect and simple mix using 3 microphones and no further processing or enhancement during the ENTIRE recording chain of a performance using ACOUSTIC INSTRUMENTS, where is reality? Is it in the orchestra pit, front row, or center of the hall? Do you listen at the actual performance hall levels? We can be talking about 105-110 dB peaks here!
You also mention the SHUR ER2 headphones as "reference models". While they might be, I would be highly suspicious of this designation, due to the low cost, and lack of mention of this model by the audio press and Agon members. You also fail to acknowledge an amps rise time/slew rate and phase shift (figures that are sometimes not easy to come by) instead using distortion figures (although you are quite right about a wide power bandwidth) as the quantifying measurement of an amps quality. An amp with ulta-low distortion can sound like crap if done incorrectly with gobs of negative feedback. You also state, "Of course with dipole (ELS, Planner/ribbon, and open baffle) designs, acoustic room treatment devices are hardly needed..." FALSE! Speaker design type does not correlate to room treatment requirements.
If you are personally happy with your sound system, then I congratulate you, and wish you many years of blissful listening. But I find that your advise is based upon incomplete and selective technological readings rather than years of actual solid listening experiences. |
Boy, you go to soooo much trouble to shoot down my perspective. Is it such a threat? Perhaps if you follow some of principals I suggest you will gain a little more confidence. |
Make me.
But if I did, you have dug yourselves a deep enough hole at this point that it would just embarrass you.
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Didactically- Really embarass us its ok. The only one who has dug a deep enough hole for themselves and dodged questions here is you. Your "truth" has many holes in it and you refuse to acknowledge the facts brought before you. This debate(if that's what you can even call it) is lack luster at best!
BTW if you have free time you could run for presidential office you seem to have what it takes for that ;) |
lol..
Didactically, give it up...fess up with your system...you've had more than enough time to create one. Especially with Stereophool's Recommended, as well as AS's this month. |
When, and why, did I become the subject of this thread? I mean, I am flattered, but What happened to audio. |
With a distortion spec of 0.005%, it can only be a Bose. |
How about Hafler DH-200/220, Muse 160, ATI, Bryston, Jeff Rowland Design Group.... in ascending order of cost from $200 to $8k
All over an approx. frequency range of 5hz-50khz, and with an Output Impedance of <0.4ohms.
A minimum standard is <0.1% over that frequency range, with similar IMD as well.
So many 'Name Brands' do not even list these crucial specs. I have contacted many and found none to have specs near this range but who fail to mention it.
Where those who do, always list them. Hmmmm. I guess the mfgrs know the difference. The question is, do the users. |
Hey Y'all,
"You can't make me?” Where the hell are we, the grade school playground? Look, dicotyledonous, come up with a system and explain your experience with Maggies or shut the *&%# up. This whole thread has become tired and you sound like someone who's just starving for attention. If you would like to continue receiving the attention you so crave, give us something to help build yourself some credibility around here. In other words, put up or shut up.........John |
As hard as it is for me to resist, I'm going to let this baby go. Ain't worth it.. He'll be back. Aren't we lucky?
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You grossly over estimate your value...at least to me. and, sorry, I just do not feel compelled to follow your direction/correction concerning audio, and certainly not personally.
How did this get personal anyway? I recall warning in the beginning that once it does that it can only degenerate in a downward spiral. That it always does, and guess what, even you agree to that now.
Before we go though, answer why you guys do not just scroll past my posts. Even the one liners. Why bother with them if you are so upset by them. Especially when to the extent that it causes you to behave so rudely hostile in your responses.
BTW this goes for your sidekick too.
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Didactically, listen more and talk less! I went back to read your posts, and some things are evident. You have a great command of the English language, and express yourself quite eloquently. Unfortunately, most of your post are a tiresome repeat of the same themes:
1) You are a disciple of Seigfried Linkwitz, and any other theory or opinion about high end audio is HERESY!
2) Distortion figures and bandwidth are the only measurements of an amp's quality. The Halfer DH-200/220, for the money, is the best amplifier ever produced!
3) Any speaker that is not a dipole is inferior.
4) Your mantra and holy chant is 'true to the original'. I don't have the slightest idea what this means [reread my post of 9/16...reread it carefully!] You might also want to read about pure class A amplification vs. class A/B amplification, single ended vs. push-pull, notch distortion, and phase inversion.
5) It is obvious that you have far more THEORETICAL OPINIONS, which have been postulated by others, than actual listening experiences. Spend some money and attend an audio show, so you will finally hear the difference between THEORY, and the real world of musical listening.
6) As your experience grows, you will be able to offer relevant and germane advice specific to the question, and not merely responding by rote. You ignores many variables that others recognize, but you have turned a blind eye (ear) to these. Some of you statements are so ludicrous as to be embarrassing.
Again, enjoy your music, and your system, and don't be surprised if your theoretical babbling soon gives way to listening in the real world of high end audio as you grow in this hobby. |
My first pre-amp 35 years ago was a solid state turd from Crown..I bought it because the distortion rating was .00000001.. that was 35 years ago..Now I listen.. to make up my own mind. Natural transparency and phase coherency are what make it right for me.. Not that solid state is bad, its just back then.. it was.Tom |
I am with Warren on this one, you can only beat a dead horse for so long- another time :) I am glad some others see BS that I thought was flowing in our direction.
Sorry for pirating your thread Mwthorne, it was not my intent but you have to have credible posts or the contents are worthless. |
As I read posts I take out what I want of what I am interested in, or of what I think may be of benfit or useful, and ignore what I do not understand, or particulary like. Of course with no animosity, hostility, or condemnation.
Like picking berries: I do not rage against the ones I reject, intentionally or otherwise.
If I did, I could not rationally expect anyone who observed such behavior to take seriously what I say. Nor consider any advise I might offer. About anything.
Such a person must either grossly overestimate their value, and/or likewise underestimate the value of the one they so treat.
So, in my opinion, anyone who would take it, must also need treatment. And I am sticking to it.
Or, put another way, as in Shakespear, 'me thinks thou dost protect too much'.
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So, the shoe fits. OK. I am aware of what I express as inferior, primitive, or just immature.
Much is revealed by what we identify with. In a way, life is an ink blot. What you see is 'who you are'. Or, 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder'. Ever heard that?
It can be very productive in deveoping as a human being. But of course it necessitates pointing the finger back at one's self, intead of always at others.
BTW, I do not expect any compliance with anything I suggest. contrare. It is a way of dealing with what one finds faulty, and to be generous, in need of improvement, without becoming a...well however you difine persons who resort to what has been directed at me peronally here by a couple of resident characters (feel free to include yourself :-) |
What is wrong with you? Can't you make a single post, why is there always 2+ posts when your trying to get your point across? I(nor anyone else here as I see it) has made any personal attacks on you, we have tried to figure out just how credible your posts are though, which you still don't seem to understand. The more you make broad general statements with out specefics about your personal experience your posts are nothing more then folk lore(as I said earlier). And as a community here at audiogon if there is a rogue in the group its our job to take care of it so you don't plague other people with your experience lacked posts. Sure I can easily just ignore you but then your spreading false information through out the community. Most everyone comes here to learn and share experiences, you seem to want to tell everyone the way it is(as if your some form of audio god)- there is a HUGE difference. Many people here(myself included) have been members for many years now and don't want to see one of the premier audio forums have the content here become rubbish.
So bring on your 2 or more disorganized responses and ignore my questions still........ |
I think Dida is a Vulcan.....:>) |
Didactically, my only concern is that another audio neophyte, such as yourself, would take your advice, when it has become clear that you have no credibility. Questions were asked of you, regarding your opinions and experience. You answered neither. Instead, you respond with your standard mantra and drivel, revealing a brainwashed mind of an inexperienced audio cultist. You have attacked a wide range of fine audio products and design philosophies. You are one of life's most dangerous creatures, someone who prefers to "baffle them with bulls**t", rather than "dazzle them with brilliance". |
It is obvious now. YOu guys enjoy this. After me there will be someone else. Like before me, huh.
That is why you cannot leave it alone, and just move on. It what you do. Well, you have noticed its not what I do. I just could not let you wise in our own conceit. But I am satisfied now with your complete exposure, for the world to see, and feel my work is done here. |
Didactically, are you taking your meds? |
You got Didcaticman right. Go to the thread "on line reviewers" if you want to hear more claptrap. Does not matter what the thread is. He goes to the same place. Something about "distortion" and "natural" sound that he, just, can't let go of, regardless of the post. It's a medication thing, I'm sure. lol..got to get to work...peace, warren |
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I don't know why but I don't seem to comprehend most of the part what Didactically is trying to say. I would suggest you don't swerve too much from the topic of discussion and try to stick to the point of the thread as much as possible.
Conflicting ideas are a norm but I just get confused what you're trying to prove here. |
Nothing personal, and no offence.
You can move on rather than persume to instruct others behavior, or where, and when they express themselves, which can only threaten the potential success of a mutually benificial and productive relationship. |
Didactically, no one wants to stifle your freedom to express yourself here. The problem confronting members is that we don't understand what in heck you're talking about!!!! You don't answer questions posed to you, and your responses have reached the point of being an incomprehensible rambling of a philosophical nature. Perhaps you feel that you have discovered some great hidden truth about audio and audiophiles, but you are actually coming across as someone who is a painfully ignorant novice and cannot shed any light on your premises, or clarify any statement that would educated us "unbelievers". I would consider myself to be an intelligent audiophile for one simple reason; the more that I learn, the more that I realize how little I actually know! AGAIN, LISTEN MORE, AND TALK LESS!!!! |
What is there about what I say that is so upseting to some that it compels them to such hostile reactions.
What is it so threatening that they cannot simply disagree and move on. Why keep clicking on my posts, repeatedly, only to become distraught, and so defensive as to feel the need to assert their authority, intelligence, or whatever credenitals the think they have, real or imagined, again, and again.
Oh, well. The world seems to get curiouser, and curiouser. |
you're right on that, Didac...., you're not worth the bother. |
Didactically, what is curious, is if there exists any financial relationship between you and Siegfried Linkwitz. His website is prominently mentioned in many of your IDENTICAL posts on any and all subjects. Are you really a COMMERCIAL member? Have we at last unmasked that famous genius Siegfried Linkwitz? Why is it that I smell "shill"?!!! |
Hey Y'all,
That's not "shill" your smelling, Fatparrot, that's a load of steaming feces. I cannot believe this guy, the more you ask the questions, the more her retreats into this neo-intellectual babble and the less sense he makes. Once again, I implore you please, answer the f&*+#king questions or just don't say anything. As much as I would love to leave this thread alone, it's like a car crash and Dictaphone is the bloody carcass underneath the overturned vehicle, the gorier it looks, the less able you are to look away.......John |
Just the way your mind works, I guess. |
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HAL, open the pod bay....HAL!!!!! |
The sign post up ahead, you've just entered the Didactically Zone....Rod Serling lives!!!! |
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You guys are really 'young', huh. (I did not say 'immature', though I suppose it is inferred).
Anyway, thanks for all the attention. I had not realized I was so important. Though I uderstand how my views can be threatening to misguided few, and that it is probably why they get responded to at such a lesser degree than the 'shoot the messenger' assaults on my person.
For all our expressions, though, all we really accomplish is revealing to the world who, and what, we are by what we say, and how we say it. There is really nothing we can do to change others to meet our perference, good or bad. Especially with mere verbalizations. That notion is a bit arrogant, isn't it. |
of course you are important! But, while everyone is important, they may not be absolutely essential. In any event, I thought you made interesting points and I am hoping you will continue to post. |
Didactically, are you bored? Two weeks go by and this cogent response? Do we have that much power over you? These past two weeks have been wonderful..take another hiatus. Make it a month.... |
Warren is that a month off with pay? We don't have to pay him do we? Tom |
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Thank you for a gentlemanly reaponse.
A refreshing change from the 'cat-fight-to-maintain-the-illusion-of-premenance' clique.
For them:
NEW RULE (in the spirit of Bill Mahar)
Confine discussion to audio issues, resisting the temptation to get personal when devoid of a credible arguement in support of held position (if any) on said issue. |
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New Rule(in the spirit of Ron Jeremy)
Answer a question when someone directly asks you something related to the topic at hand. If you do not comply don't act surprised when people don't pay you any more attention then you pay them. |
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Huh? Are you so used to people complying with your demands. Or is it just wishful thinking. I do not HAVE to answer anything. Nor do you.
And frankly, I am amazed at getting so much attention. And so little having anything whatever to do with audio. Like this.
Oh, well. |
Or maybe you are actually UNABLE to answer anything! Hey, Reverend Jim, I want my Guyana grape Kool-Aid...NOW! Didactically, here is a website for you:
http://www.rickross.com/groups/jonestown.html |
Mr Fatparrot,
Are you inferring that I have not made my position clear?
Antogonize somebody else for a while. |
Yea, that is it. Any comments about, oh, I don't know, audio?
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